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M777 Howitzer Deal - Discussion and Updates

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by bhagat, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The first 2 pieces are completed.

    They will soon land in India , ahead of schedule.

    In 7-15 days.

    Source : A press briefing by BAE Spokesperson


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    Big guns: First modern 155 mm artillery guns to land in India after the Bofors scandal of 1980s
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    HIGHLIGHTS
    • This will be the first induction of modern 155mm artillery guns by the Army since the 1980s.
    • The howitzers will be taken to the Pokhran ranges for testing
    • The M-777 guns are primarily meant for the front with China

    NEW DELHI: India has now exorcised the ominous Bofors ghost haunting its artillery modernization plans for the last 30 years. In the first modern 155mm artillery guns to be inducted by the Army since the 1980s, two of the 145 M-777 ultra-light howitzers ordered from the US will touch down here on Thursday morning.

    Defence sources on Wednesday said the two howitzers, which will come in a chartered aircraft from the UK, will be taken to the Pokhran ranges for testing and "compilation of the firing tables" for subsequent use. "The firing tables, with the guns being tested for different kinds of Indian ammunition with bi-modular charges, will take some time to be formulated," said a source.




    The delivery schedule for the air-mobile howitzers, being acquired under the $737 million deal inked with the US in a government-to-government deal, will quicken from March 2019 onwards. "Five guns will then be delivered every month till all 145 are inducted by June 2021. While the first 25 guns will be imported, the rest 120 will be assembled in India with artillery-manufacturer BAE Systems selecting Mahindra as its business partner here," he added.

    The arrival of the M-777 guns, which are primarily meant for the front with China, comes soon after the government also inked a Rs 4,366 crore contract with engineering conglomerate L&T for the supply of 100 self-propelled howitzers in collaboration with its South Korean technology partner Hanwha Tech Win. These 155mm/52-calibre tracked guns called K-9 Vajra-T, in turn, are to be delivered within 42 months, as was earlier reported by TOI.
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    The 13-lakh strong Army has not inducted a single 155mm artillery gun since the Bofors scandal brought down the Rajiv Gandhi government, and derailed all plans for technology transfer and indigenous manufacture.



    Subsequent scandals revolving around other global artillery manufacturers, like South African Denel and Singapore Technology Kinetic's, further punched gaping holes in the Army's long-range, high-volume firepower. Interestingly, the original Swedish Bofors company is now owned by BAE Systems.

    The Army has been demanding 155mm/39-calibre ultra-light howitzers like the M-777s, with a strike range from 24 to 40-km depending on the kind of ammunition used, for almost 15 years now as part of the overall plan to build robust conventional deterrence against China.

    Weighing just over 4-tonne due to the use of titanium, the M-777 can swiftly be airlifted to high-altitudes areas up to 16,000-feet in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control with China.

    The M-777 howitzers will equip the new 17 Mountain Strike Corps, which the Army is raising by cannibalizing its existing reserves, for the China front. With two infantry divisions geared for mountain warfare, and associated artillery, air defence and armoured brigades, the 17 Corps will be fully in place with 90,274 troops by 2021.



    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/big...ors-scandal-of-1980s/articleshow/58721807.cms
     
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  4. bharathp

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    all maintenance except the gun barrel in India, and Indian ammunition. they still have some control.. but hopefully the Vajra and the Dhanush will help us have complete control.. until then.. for the China issue, I am hoping the US wont have a problem "maintaining" the gun barrell without a hitch.
     
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    Learnt from times of India that they have sent two guns for testing. Testing after MOU? Is this never ending process.
     
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    Fox Supreme Overlord FULL MEMBER

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    It's vital. The Indian Army can trial the M777 with US charges and shells, but if the they aren't going to use them, they're creating firing tables that are invalid for their guns. They need to know how the domestic shells and charges perform when fired from an M777 in varying climates and terrains so they can be sure of how they'll perform during operational conditions and allow them to accurately deliver fire onto a target, which with firing tables for different shells or charges and not the ones used in the guns you own, could be problematic at best.

    The Americans can't give you those without access to your shells and your charges. You need to trial the guns and fire some rounds to develop them. That means more testing. Necessary testing.

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    There's no other way around it other then put some fire down range.
     
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    Don't worry 2 guns will be delivered each month from now on by December we will get 12 guns

    These are user trials with Indian terrain

    Primary trials already conducted in US during evaluation
     
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    Thanks that was informative, understand now. So these are not for trail before buying which was the reason I got worried.
     
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    Thanks Man @NVKD, you are good source of Info. I use to miss all this informative people in other forum. How do we transport them from airport, using trailers?
     
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    Deal is signed, payments have been made and deliveries are commencing imminently.

    -These M777s are heading to Pokhran to develop firing tables for the IA using Indian made 155mm ammunition

    - Another 3 units will be handed over in the next year

    - From early 2019 BAE and Mahindra will be handing over 5 guns/month to the IA

    - Another order for 500 M777 is expected in the next 3 years

    Even then they would not be able to replicate the exact climatic and enviromental conditions that these guns will experience in Indian service, as you rightly say; there is no way around putting rounds down range in India.

    It is the OEM's (BAE) decsion, AFAIK they used flatbed trailers (as opposed to towing them).
     
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    Another 500, tere muh main ghee shakkar man.
     
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