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M777 Howitzer Deal - Discussion and Updates

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by bhagat, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Another 500 are assured ad this point, I have heard this from a reliable person.
     
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  2. Anish

    Anish BANNED BANNED

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    M-777 Trials Start

     
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  3. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    gmm..I wonder what do they mean by "trials"? we already ordered them. this should probably be to make the tables for the gun with various ammunition.
     
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    Must be clearance tests if order is signed.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    For all those Imported weapons fans and all those who made fun of Indian Dhanush guns failing Indian Army Trails: ...........:):):)

    Indian Army’s new US-made M777 howitzer in trouble, barrel explodes at Pokhran range

    Published September 12, 2017 SOURCE: Hindustan Times

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    The army’s new M777 ultra-light American howitzer was partly damaged when a 155mm artillery round misfired and exploded in the barrel during a drill early September.The gun is one of the two howitzers that arrived in New Delhi in May as part of a $750-million contract signed with the US in November 2016. India has ordered 145 howitzers. The gun was firing Indian ammunition in Rajasthan’s Pokhran ranges.“During the firing on September 2, the projectile, which was fifth of the series, exited the barrel in multiple pieces,” an army officer said on Tuesday. No one was injured. He said an investigating team is assessing the damage to the gun. A detailed input from the gun’s manufacturer, BAE Systems, would follow. “BAE Systems is aware of an irregularity recorded during routine field firing of the M777. We are working closely with the Indian Army and the US government to explore the incident,” a company spokesperson said. The M777 order is the first contract for artillery guns in almost 30 years after the Bofors scandal unfolded in the late 1980s. The two guns are part of the 25 ready-built weapons that will be supplied by the US over the next two years. The remaining 120 howitzers will be manufactured in the country under the government’s Make in India initiative, in collaboration with Mahindra Defence. The 155mm, 39-calibre howitzers are inducted to increase the army’s capabilities in high altitude. These will be deployed in the northern and eastern sectors. The army’s new mountain strike corps, raised in West Bengal’s Panagarh, will be equipped with the new guns. Built with titanium and aluminum alloys, the howitzers weigh 4,218kg, providing them superior tactical mobility. In contrast, 155mm towed howitzers weigh twice as much. The howitzers can be underslung from helicopters and swiftly deployed in high-altitude areas. More than 1,090 M777s are in service globally. The howitzers have been used during operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. India is the latest user of the guns used by the US, Australian and Canadian militaries for accurate artillery fire support.

    http://idrw.org/indian-armys-new-us...le-barrel-explodes-pokhran-range/#more-147470 .

    @Hellfire @Agent_47 @vstol jockey @Lion of Rajputana @Sancho @PARIKRAMA @all
     
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    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    First why it is in trouble???? has the order been cancelled - the Answer is NO
    Same issue with the Dhanush - has the order been cancelled - the Answer is NO
    Same issue with the K9 in korea - has the order been cancelled - the Answer is NO

    I hate BS articles like these ..... They don't even ask the a Simple question ie "how many type of round (OFB) this piece (or total by both gun) fired before this incident"
     
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    ashkum2278 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    At the end of it all, it will come down to OFB manufacturing substandard ammunition. Every thing these OFB's produce are substandard, it is time GOI should put an end to this Monkey business, by awarding production of all ammunition to Private companies.
     
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    kakathiya FULL MEMBER

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    Sir, now what will the genrails will tell about the quality of these guns?, wasn't it the same reason Danish guns were being rejected?, r they going to tell that M777 is not good, OFB factories which manufacture these shells r sub standard & the employees who make them r unskilled, they r manufacturing crappy, third rated shells, it is said they r just refilling spent shells & not manufacturing new ones, these refilled shells r the reason for these barrel blast because these shells r too old, every thing is taken for granted in india, it seems this deal is in trouble, until our army finds some alien laser technology which can fire on moon too, lol
     
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    Zer0reZ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Did India Ignore US-Made M777's History of Failures?

    Indian government awarded BAE systems a contract for 145 M777 howitzers last year despite a leaked Indian Army document claiming the artillery guns had failed to meet certain critical performance requirements during field evaluation trials.

    The Indian Army has chosen to remain tight-lipped about the details of the accident until a final report is submitted to the court of inquiry that has been instituted to ascertain the specific cause. Meanwhile, differing speculations are making the rounds with some relating the accident to faulty ammunitions manufactured by India's state-owned ordnance factory and others drawing attention to the history of barrel bursts experienced by the US-made light weight artillery gun all over the world.

    On August 12 this year, two US soldiers were killed and five injured in northern Iraq while forces were firing an M777 at Daesh when the gun malfunctioned and the shell exploded. This was not the first case of shell explosion during the discharge of an M777. In March 2011, ten US military personnel were injured in an accident caused by the in-bore explosion of a M777A2 at Fort Bragg during live fire. Three years later in February 2014, a soldier had lost his life and two seriously injured during another live firing with lightweight howitzer M777 at the same place. Interestingly, even in the stipulated three year inquiry, the US government did not reveal the findings of the 2011 accident. In March 2014, three Australian soldiers were injured during a training exercise involving M777A2 howitzer field gun at the Shoalwater Bay base near Rockhampton.

    India and the US had begun discussions on the purchase of 145 M777 in 2010 and in 2011 Indian Army's classified field evaluation trial report was leaked, which revealed that the M777 had failed to meet certain critical performance requirements.

    "The howitzer had fared poorly in direct firing and air portability trials. Non-compliance on parameters such as barrel life, minimum range, and anti-skid mechanism was also recorded," Hindustan Times reported on February 21, 2011.

    Nevertheless, India went ahead and signed the deal last year for the purchase of 145 M777 from BAE Systems out of which 25 are to be received in flyaway condition and the remaining 125 would be assembled in India.
     
  10. NKVD

    NKVD Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Propoganda M777 IS Decent gun

    Reality is India has no equivalent in market
     
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    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    OFBs are govt run and for political reasons located in areas known for poor quality everything

    Ammo is high quality high precision high risk product

    The issue is obvious
     
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    Din't We fought And Won all our wars using Same OFB ammo suddenly it became substandard
     
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    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    U mean the m777 and Dhanush mishaps or the failure to produce decent kinetic kill shells for our tanks or even basic unguided rockets for our helicopters despite a workforce of 164000 is NOT symptomagic of a chronic problem despite all military and paramilitary arms saying so?

    Ok.
     
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    Simple question - do you know that how many shells was fired before the mishap? OR was it the first shell fired that caused the damaged? - pls answer?

    + saying one mishap in all the examples you gave is the akin to saying that because of one car crash - blame the manufacturer and shut them down!
     
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