M777 Howitzer Deal - Discussion and Updates

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  1. sam2012
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    Will this spell end to Baba Kalyani Light howitzer project???:cry:
     
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    Not really. That Bharat ULH is expected to be delivered for trials by the end of this year.
     
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    India likely to reconsider acquiring M777 ultra light howitzers with US

    The USD 650-million deal for the 145 howitzers is critical, and Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is likely to consider proposals for acquiring 145 M777 ultra light howitzers from the US.



    Ajit Kumar Dubey | Posted by Shraddha Jandial
    New Delhi, October 20, 2016 | UPDATED 05:40 IST

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    The Defence Acquisition Council headed by Defence MinisterManohar Parrikar is likely to consider proposals for acquiring 145 M777 ultra light howitzers from the US. The proposal has been in the pipeline for several years now, despite being cleared more than thrice by the Defence Ministry under Parrikar as well as his UPA predecessor, AK Antony.

    The USD 650-million deal for the 145 howitzers is critical because the Army plans to deploy these guns along the mountainous lines bordering both Pakistan and China.

    "The DAC is expected to discuss the progress in this deal and may also consider certain deviations from the procurement procedure involved in the deal," sources in the Defence Ministry claimed.

    THE DEAL IS ON HOLD

    The deal has been put on hold since 2010, when the Indian Army set out to exorcise the ghost of Bofors to induct its first howitzer. However, it has always been stalled for one reason or the other.

    Army officials claim that the progress in the deal was last cleared in June in the DAC, post which it was to be sent to the CCS for final clearance.

    The Army has not procured a single howitzer ever since the Bofors guns were acquired from Switzerland in the 1980s.

    THE OTHER PROPOSAL

    The other important proposal that the DAC may consider is the acquisition of almost 5,000 combat net radio sets for tactical communication of Army troops.

    The DAC is to consider if the radio sets should be procured under the Make in India scheme or to be bought from the Israeli firm Elbit, according to the Army proposal.

    The Indian Air Force is also likely to put up its proposal to upgrade its unmanned aerial vehicles that would be enhanced to combat platforms under the top secret Project Cheetah.

    IAF officials declined to comment on the top secret project, which is likely to cost Rs10,000 crore.


    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...7-ultra-light-howitzers-with-us/1/791090.html
     
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    Manohar Parrikar clears purchase of 145 M777 howitzers worth Rs 4500 crore from US

    The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) headed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today cleared the proposals for acquiring 145 M777 155 mm ultra light howitzers from the US.

    This is the first time that guns are being purchased for the Army since bofors in 1987. These are light howitzers which can be flown to the mountain areas and will be deployed along the mountainous lines bordering both Pakistan and China.


    India will be buying the 155 mm M777 guns at a cost of about Rs 4500 crore. This is first major buy for the Mountain Strike Corps. Earlier gun-maker BAE systems had tied up with India's Mahindra for the deal.

    The proposal had been in the pipeline for several years, despite being cleared more than thrice by the Defence Ministry under Parrikar as well as his UPA predecessor, AK Antony.

    The Army has not procured a single howitzer ever since the Bofors guns were acquired from Switzerland in the 1980s.

    OTHER PROPOSALS

    The other important proposal that the DAC may consider is the acquisition of almost 5,000 combat net radio sets for tactical communication of Army troops.

    The DAC is to consider if the radio sets should be procured under the Make in India scheme or to be bought from the Israeli firm Elbit, according to the Army proposal.

    The Indian Air Force is also likely to put up its proposal to upgrade its unmanned aerial vehicles that would be enhanced to combat platforms under the top secret Project Cheetah.

    IAF officials declined to comment on the top secret project, which is likely to cost Rs10,000 crore.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/manohar-parrikar-m777-howitzers-rs-4500-crore-us/1/791659.html

    Anyone can confirm this?
     
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    The Defence Acquisition Council headed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is likely to consider proposals for acquiring 145 M777 ultra light howitzers from the US. The proposal has been in the pipeline for several years now, despite being cleared more than thrice by the Defence Ministry under Parrikar as well as his UPA predecessor, AK Antony.

    The USD 650-million deal for the 145 howitzers is critical because the Army plans to deploy these guns along the mountainous lines bordering both Pakistan and China.

    "The DAC is expected to discuss the progress in this deal and may also consider certain deviations from the procurement procedure involved in the deal," sources in the Defence Ministry claimed.

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    THE DEAL IS ON HOLD ::

    The deal has been put on hold since 2010, when the Indian Army set out to exorcise the ghost of Bofors to induct its first howitzer. However, it has always been stalled for one reason or the other.

    Army officials claim that the progress in the deal was last cleared in June in the DAC, post which it was to be sent to the CCS for final clearance.

    The Army has not procured a single howitzer ever since the Bofors guns were acquired from Switzerland in the 1980s.


    THE OTHER PROPOSAL ::

    The other important proposal that the DAC may consider is the acquisition of almost 5,000 combat net radio sets for tactical communication of Army troops.

    The DAC is to consider if the radio sets should be procured under the Make in India scheme or to be bought from the Israeli firm Elbit, according to the Army proposal.

    The Indian Air Force is also likely to put up its proposal to upgrade its unmanned aerial vehicles that would be enhanced to combat platforms under the top secret Project Cheetah.

    IAF officials declined to comment on the top secret project, which is likely to cost Rs10,000 crore.
     
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    Bofors acquired from Switzerland?

    That takes the cake :award:
     
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    Another critical decision we have been sleeping on for ages. :artillery: Holding up decision for ages and when the cost increases due to inflation, renegotiate for few more years, Repeat! China might induct Death Ray by the time ALH is inducted in IA.

    @PARIKRAMA @Hellfire please move article to IA section.

    Good Day!
     
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    What is there to reconsider now?

    its going to be made by Mahindra under make in India initiative.. or are they going to have a comparitive trial with Baba Kayani gun?
     
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    All done except India didn't sign for the deal before Letter of Acceptance (LOA) expired. So stagnation continues over the deal.

    Good Day!
     
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    M777 155mm Ultra light towed howitzer BAE Systems

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    Description

    The M777 is an ultra light howitzer designed and manufactured by BAE Systems. M777 is a 155mm 39 calibre towed gun which, through proven technology and the innovative use of titanium and aluminium alloys, meets the requirement for rapidly deployable and accurate artillery fire support.The M777 is the world's first 155mm Howitzer weighing less than 10000 lbs (4218 kg). Selected by the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army as their next generation Medium Force weapon, designated M777, the gun has undergone an engineering and manufacturing development program in the U.S leading to an initial contract for 94 guns in November 2002. Further U.S. requirement will bring production to over 700 systems. M777 is now in full rate production for the U.S. Armed Forces and is the benchmark for 155mm.

    Variants

    M777A1 :
    can fire Excalibur munition
    M777A2 : can fire Raytheon / Bofors XM982 Excalibur GPS / Inertial Navigation-guided extended-range 155mm projectiles using the Modular Artillery Charge Systems (MACS).

    Technical data

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    Some detailed explanation here for the delay.

    India gets closer to acquiring US Ultra Light Howitzers, will deploy opposite Pak and China

    NEW DELHI: India has progressed to the final stage of acquiring the long awaited 145 number of Ultra Light Howitzer artillery guns- to be deployed opposite Pakistan and China- from the US, with a major roadblock being cleared today.

    The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) led by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today cleared all the variations present in India’s demands regarding the artillery gun made to the US and what the US in turn offered. “In today’s DAC meeting, all these aberrations between India’s Letters of Request and the US’s Letters of Acceptance were cleared,” said Defence Ministry sources.

    "And now we can formulate the contract after sanction of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). Then start the procurement of the guns between India and the US," said the sources.

    All defence proposals beyond Rs 1000 crore have to be approved by the CCS. The 145 Ultra Light Howitzers are worth Rs 5070 crore, according to sources.

    In the past, the army had approached the DAC to purchase the guns. Earlier this year, the DAC approved the purchase of the guns. But then the problems emerged. India had sent a Letter of Request (LOR) to the US, explaining the demand to procure the guns. The US responded with a Letter of Acceptance (LOA).

    "There was a large variance in what they offered to us and what we had asked for. The LOA had certain variations as compared to the proposal approved by the DAC. Again the DAC had to be approached and requested for a decision to accept the US’s offer. Several LORs and LOAs were exchanged before today’s meeting, which cleared all this. It is a positive step," said sources.

    The procurement of the Ultra Light Howitzers will greatly boost India’s artillery capabilities, as the only other equally good artillery gun with India is the Bofors.

    The howitzer will be deployed on the mountainous regions opposite Pakistan and China. These areas include Jammu and Kashmir, Leh and Arunachal Pradesh.

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    The DAC today also sanctioned another case of purchasing 4900 Tadiran radio sets for T-90 and T-72 tanks, said sources. These tanks are located along the border with Pakistan and the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China.

    "The existing deficiency of these sets in the army is being made up by going for this repeat order. A special sanction was given by the DAC for this order," said sources, adding that these radio sets will be acquired faster, as they are a repeat order.

    Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...posite-pak-and-china/articleshow/54962809.cms
     
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    This you shall have to confirm along with @PARIKRAMA : is there an in house Private player willing to provide similar weapon system? That is what the rumour is although none has confirmed it. If so, then it shall be really interesting whether it is the same platform being purchased with the private player purchasing the Line from BAE?
     
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    M777 and K9 , these two deal will be signed and first tranche paid for by end of this FY.
     
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    Not yet,some folks who took licence are
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    Bharat Forge

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    BF Elbit Tie Up

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    Thats BF licence - Point - (b)

    So if suppose GOI wants Indian company product also, a working prototype, tests and results - all process have to be there in case we want our own instead of M777

    This was there this month
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    What is left is to actually produce something and handover to forces to do test and compare.. But yes things are slowly being done behind curtains..


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    About Line purchase Mahindra will do it subject to GOI moing on and doing whats needed for the initial amount of Guns.. Its strange that LOA and LOR itself is now going to and fro according to the article..

    @Abingdonboy - your comments needed here.
     
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    @PARIKRAMA @Hellfire @R!CK guys any recent update from Bharat Forge? I think 'water car Engineer' was following it closely. The amount of money they have invested without much govt commitment is worth some reward. They have the capacity to make us self-dependent in artillery and are doing better job compared to OFBs.
     
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