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M777 Howitzer Deal - Discussion and Updates

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by bhagat, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    Meh. Wake me up when the IN signs on the dotted line for ASW helos, it has been more than a year now since DAC cleared the S-70B but since then there seems to have been no progress whatsoever.
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    You can call next FY as Navy year, how about that? ;)

    Good Day!
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Can't wait to see IAF CH-47F Chinooks carrying around these M777s for the new Mountain Strike Corps...

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    S-70B for Make in India :USA::india:
     
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    Levina Admin- Twitter Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Finally!
    We will soon have some lethal firepower in the mountain regions.:rolleyes2:
    But hey we waited for 3 decades just because we could not make up our mind???

    Btw @R!CK moneee I used the pic that you've posted on FB to post this news on twitter.Legal Plagiarism! :rolleyes:
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The immeasurable amount of delay in ordering these birds might as well make up for it if it turns out Tata Advanced Systems Ltd. (TASL) or someone will be making these helos in India. This however, will depend on IN coming out with a full, proper estimation of how many such helicopters will be required in the future, and it has to be at least 60+ (can't afford to make the same mistake as we made with Mi-17 and C-17A procurement).

    Pooling of requirements will be necessary. A lot of Black Hawk-based platforms can be made on the same production line...gotta get IAF, IN & IA to look up possible dedicated vertical lift for Special Forces etc.

    A combined requirement of 100 helicopters will make good with Sikorsky to consider setting up a local line.
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Can't risk provoking the Ghost...
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    Its good to have some uniformity on the data we post on social platforms. Good move, and I had used the pik u posted for the railways news! :partay:

    Good Day!
     
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    Levina Admin- Twitter Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I am not so smart.
    Can't decipher this.

    Night?
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    Very technical indeed. Fine, Good Night! :p
     
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    I was implying they were afraid to wake the Bofors ghost - there has been a largely media-created stigma that any new artillery procurement will be mired in corruption and/or controversy.
     
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    BAE Systems will be delivering two out of 145 M777 155mm/39-calibre ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) guns in June, for the army to carry out a few tests with Indian ammunition.

    BAE Systems will be delivering two out of 145 M777 155mm/39-calibre ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) guns in June, for the army to carry out a few tests with Indian ammunition. Company officials, talking to FE on conditions of anonymity, said, “This is routine procedure, so that the army can generate its ‘range tables’ — the idea is to calibrate the guns for the various types of Indian ammunition that the guns would fire once inducted.” These trials will be carried out for high-altitude and desert terrains. Under the contract, 25 guns will come to India in a fly-away condition (two per month will be delivered), while 120 will be assembled at the proposed assembly integration and test facility for the weapon system in India in partnership with Mahindra Defence, located in Faridabad. FE was the first to report that the Indian partner for contract was Mahindra Defence.

    The $750-million deal was formalised last year on the sidelines of the 15th India-US Military Cooperation Group (MCG). The proposal had hit an impasse before being finalised over offsets and price issues as it also involved direct import of the howitzers from the US in a foreign military sales route (FMS) under the buy (global) category of the Indian Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP).

    The Indian Army plans to use these Howitzers in defensive troop deployment spread across the country’s vast rugged terrain. The gun will come with laser inertial artillery pointing systems (LINAPS), maintenance, personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, engineering and logistics support services.

    The offsets, under which BAE Systems, manufacturer of the gun, will invest about $200 million, will be pursued independently.



    A major portion of the M777 is being currently manufactured in the company’s UK plants. The UK facility produces core components like titanium forgings and fabrications, which make the M777 light enough to be lifted by helicopters like the Chinook to high-altitude deployment areas. The final integration and testing phase, which is being handled at BAE’s Hattiesburg facility in Mississippi, US, will be shifted to India. Mahindra Defence will be in charge of assembling, integrating and testing the guns at the AIT facility. This will enable the army to have unhindered access to spare parts and it further drastically reduces the maintenance time and cost of the guns. Significantly, the gun barrel of the American gun cannot be made in India.

    This is barred by the Berry Amendment, a Congressional Act in the US.




    http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...ystems-m777-ulh-howitzer-guns-in-june/565814/
     
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    Picatinny Arsenal advances M777 extended range howitzer
    Daniel Wasserbly, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
    01 March 2017
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    The ER M777A2 is shown undergoing re-fire checks and preventative maintenance during testing. Source: Picatinny Arsenal
    Picatinny Arsenal engineers are progressing work with their M777 extended range (ER) howitzer, based on the 155 mm M777 towed artillery system, and expect to soon test the weapon with new ammunition.

    Test firings in November 2016 helped advance the M777ER programme that officials hope can "create an M777 howitzer that can fire out to over 70 km", Picatinny Arsenal said in a 27 February statement.

    Modifications added 2.4 m to the cannon, but limited the added overall system weight to 454 kg. "The total length of the tube increased the chamber volume as well as the rifling length," Picatinny said. "That, in combination with the additional increment of legacy propellant, resulted in an increase in range of several kilometres."

    The M777ER is part of a wider Extended Range Cannon Artillery (ERCA) project to develop technology that can extend ranges for all 155 mm artillery. It includes a XM907 cannon as well as XM1113 rocket-assisted projectile, the XM654 supercharge, an autoloader, and a new fire control system.

    Programme officials are to next test the M777ER to determine if it can handle "the force from the new ammunition since we would be going from a 7 km increase in range to a 40 km increase in range". If successful, those tests could lead to user evaluations or soliciting other modifications.

    Testing in July 2017 will use "some new prototype hardware and new ammunition to build on the confidence we got from the November [2016] test, but isn't a complete upgrade to the system yet", David Bound, M777ER team lead, told Jane's.

    Then, around July 2018, Bound expects the final demonstrator will be fully upgraded with all of the army's latest hardware. "We are working towards getting this demonstrator to be as close to representative of the howitzer we would eventually qualify for fielding as we possibly can," he said.
     
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