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Make in India for defence: UK ready for tech transfer to India to become ‘world beaters’

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by layman, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Britain today offered technology transfer to India for co-production of military platforms and weapon systems to jointly become “world beaters” in arms exports. Britain’s Defence Secretary Michael Fallon also called for strengthening cooperation between the two countries to effectively deal with terrorism and extremism, calling them a major challenge facing the globe.

    The British Defence Secretary is on a four-day visit to India aimed at enhancing security and defence ties.

    During an interactive session at a leading think-tank on UK-India strategic ties, he referred to a spate of recent terror attacks including in London, St Petersburg and Egypt and said both India and the UK will have to work harder to deal with the menace.

    “No country is immune from terrorism. India and the UK need to work hard to combat it,” he said, particularly emphasising on boosting cyber security cooperation to protect youths from radicalism and extremism.

    Fallon refused to respond to a question on death sentence given to Kulbhushan Jadhav by a Pakistani military court.

    On Indo-UK defence production, he said with innovation and collaboration, Britain and India can prove to be “world beaters”.

    “We are looking at government-to-government framework for transfer of technology,” he said, on technology transfer to India in defence manufacturing.

    The British Defence Secretary also gave a run down of reform measures taken by his country in the defence sector and said a partnership with India will provide an unprecedented opportunity to match the British experience with Indian brainpower.

    As per statistics collated by UK Trade and Investment, the country is the second biggest arms exporter in the world after the US. It said UK has sold more arms than Russia, China and France on average over the last 10 years.

    Britain has been a leading supplier of military platforms to India as well.

    Fallon will hold talks with Defence Minister Arun Jaitley tomorrow on enhancing security ties and deepening cooperation in combating terrorism and extremism

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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    @Sancho we were discussing on who is willing to provide ToT,
    Even Russian closest friends are not providing ToT for parts... I guess there are other countries who are willing is India ready to take up the offer ?
     
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    What ? tot for russian spare parts ?

    What can UK offer which others can't?
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    India still doesn't have ToT for Russian spares for MKI's
    Well may be after Intergovernmental talks we may come to know what Brits are offering...
     
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    No company will give away money making part.

    IAF is working on it with industry to locally produced and certify spare, they have a separate division for it. All basic spare are already Indian without Russian help. Over time most will be.

    What can they offer?
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Every country that we deal with, has to provide some kind of ToT, the question is what kind? We can't force anybody to provide us critical techs and their secret developments, we wouldn't do it either in exports of Dhruv, LCH...

    Russia is providing us not only with most of the ToT, but also with most of the critical once. When you look at our SSBN developments, missile developments line Astra, the Brahmos co-development..., all major parts of our defence and FGFA is just the next level of it, we are just negotiating to get the best deal for us, just as they do for them.
    Then we have Israel with similar offers, just on a smaller scale. Radar and missiles, rather than ships, subs and fighters.

    With Rafale and the long experience with French companies, I really hoped that they would see us today in a similar way as Russia does, as a real partner in developments. Sadly we still remain on a buyer seller relationship with them. We can get a lot from them, even modifications and ToT, but only if the price is right and as a buyer. The fact that not a single joint development came out of all the negotiations in MMRCA shows where we stand.

    Countries like the UK, Germany and Italy were more restrictive in ToT let alone joint developments, but that was changing at least since MMRCA. The question is how far are they willing to go, or in case of the UK, how desperate are they after Brexit?
     
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    I've been thiking UK is a great place to target Arjun exports.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Any product of BAE for example!
     
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    He is talking about strategic partnership TOT which means it should be unique/important which other partners can't offer.
     
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    May be something to look upon...
     

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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Can't or won't, engine techs from RR would be interesting too of course. Bae once showcased the Mantis armed drone at Aero India, the cooperation on light tanks they had with Poland was very impressive and interesting for our requirements too. Not to mention that they have sub and carrier know how too.
    But their problem will be, that they are bound to the US and Nato, which we had seen in case of M777 ToT.

    And keep in mind that he is specifically talking about joint manufacturing and joint production, not developments!
     
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    NEW DELHI: The UK said on Wednesday it wants to further strengthen its cooperation with India in the fight against terrorism and extremism, while also offering cutting-edge military technology for co-production of weapon systems to jointly become "world beaters" in arms exports.

    "No country is immune from terrorism. India and the UK need to work even harder, and more closely, to combat it," said visiting British secretary of state for defence Michael Fallon, who had earlier held that his country had made it "very clear" to Pakistan that there cannot be any excuse or justification for terrorism.

    Fallon, who is accompanied by a high-powered delegation, and finance minister Arun Jaitley, who also holds the charge of defence, will on Thursday chair the first India-UK strategic dialogue, which was agreed to in November 2015 during PM Narendra Modi's visit to London as part of the bilateral defence and international security partnership.

    "Terrorism is high on our agenda," said Fallon, taking note of the series of terror attacks in recent days in London, St Petersburg, Egypt and other places. He also stressed the need to bolster cooperation on the cyber-security front to counter the expanding online radicalism of youth.

    With the UK looking to bolster ties with major economics like India after Brexit, Fallon said the combination of "British expertise and experience with Indian intelligence and brainpower" could be gamechanging in the defence production sector. "In next 12 months I want to see the capability partnerships take off. We, together, can be world-beaters," he said, adding that UK is thinking of India "not just as a market but a launch pad" to develop top-notch weapons and technologies.

    "We are looking at government-to-government framework for transfer of technology... we are very serious about it," Fallon said, underlining that his country was the second biggest arms exporter in the world after the US.

    Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...a-for-making-weapons/articleshow/58155623.cms

    Interestingly,This is the TOP comment there.

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    We Israelis can offer you better cutting-edge technology than the UK. Come and check us out. We want y'all Indians to help us end Islamic terrorism from the world, and for that, we can offer you the best modern weapons at the most reasonable rates. When Modi is in Israel, we hope to ink defense deals worth at least $4-$5 billion.
    --Col Avner Mueller
     
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    @Sancho I personally think a jointly modified Arjun 3 should replace Chally 2.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Arjun seems to be dead for IA, let alone for other customers.
     
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