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Meet Pakistan's First 'Robokiller' | Burraq 'Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle'

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Tailchopper, Nov 30, 2013.

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  1. Tailchopper

    Tailchopper Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    So India can build a Rutan Air Craft designed inspired UAV but when Pakistan does the same it becomes a Chinese copy?

    Burraq and Shehpar have been in development since 2007, why do you think (if you can ignore your bias for second) we'd wait for 6 years to have them operationalized, instead of just 'copying and pasting' them, within a year?

    For your information, Pakistan has been EXPORTING UAVs and building them for over a decade now. The Falco is also built in Pakistan.
     
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    safriz BANNED BANNED

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    The above data is of a similar UAV.
    Not of UCAN Buraq....

    Engine is most probably a Rotax 912 (At least for Shahpar,but Buraq looks similar)

    [​IMG]
     
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    NESCOM and PAC Kamra has full access to Selex Galeleo's Falco,and some Patriot Pakistani scientists immigrated Back to pakistan from USA to Build a Drone industry in Pakistan..
    Most previously worked for NESCOM and transferred their skills there and later went on to open their own private firms..
    So Drone building industry is pretty advanced in Pakistan both on Private and Government level.
     
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    It is a well-know fact among defence circles and even some well-informed media sources that India
    adopted the Rutan Long-EZ design for Rustom-1 UAV.

    But Pakistan's development of Burraq UCAV doesn't find any mention about the similarities it shares with
    Chinese CH-3, which in turn is also a derivative of the Rutan design.

    What this thread does is to point out this uncanny resemblance to throw some light on the UCAV's design
    origins.
     
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    safriz BANNED BANNED

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    watch from 2:10 onwards.

    [video=vimeo;80170394]https://vimeo.com/80170394[/video]
     
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    Tailchopper Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    If 'resemblance' is the parameter then, all jetliners look the same. Does it means that they are all the same?

    Rutan was a primary 'recreational' aircraft, nothing out of the science fiction and nothing out of reach from Pakistan. The biggest contributor to Shahpar and Burraq may well be Falco UAV instead of CH-3, a UAV that we don't even HAVE!
     
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    What makes you think Selex Galileo would allow you to strip their UAVs and take whatever you want?

    China, on the other hand, has been helping Pakistan to manufacture military hardware since a long time. JF-17, Al-khalid,
    K-8 trainer, etc.
     
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    because we manufacture falco at home...so its inevitable to have intimate knowledge of the thing....
    Plus selex itself is now mostly owned by Saudis,who are our fowendz ;)
     
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    Falco is already built in Pakistan under a TOT agreement.

    There have been only two coin UAV imports by Pakistan.

    1: Luna for the Army, from Germany
    2: Falco from Italy

    There is no record of ANY Ch-3 sales to Pakistan except some news speculation. Besides Burraq is a MALE platform while CH-3 is a tactical UCAV. Burraq is much larger and has a wider wingspan.

    I'm not interested in the aerodynamics of Burraq, what i'm interested in, is what it packs inside and how much can it help our war effort. It can also prove to be an export success for Pakistan in the long term.
     
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    TOT as in importing knocked-down kits and assembling them?

    Did China sell FC-1 to you in order to make JF-17? Did China sell MBT-2000/VT-1A to you in order to make
    Al-Khalid? So why should China actually sell CH-3 to you in order to help you (in a govt-to-govt deal) to
    build the Burraq or Shahpar?

    Doesn't look like it. Look at the model in the glass case here -

    [​IMG]

    Looks exactly like the CH-3 shown at Zhuhai.

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    Check the Landing gear and the undercarriage layout, for instance of Shahpar and Falco.

    Shahpar

    [​IMG]

    Falco

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    Thats what the Trishul blog write tells you
     
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    With EO payload

    [​IMG]
     
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    HMMM...okay, so you reason that Shahpar is based off Falco because the cover of a tiny road wheel is
    similar?


    Oh my god.

    Look, even the front wheel is different again!

    :taz::taz::taz:
     
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    The examples of JF-17 and Al-Khalid are absurd because they were joint ventures. There has been no arrangement for these UAVs. The very fact that you are relying on plastic models to prove your argument is the indication of its absurdity.
     
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