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Mega Thread-India Pakistan Nuke Scenario..NFU/massive Retaliation/ decapitating strikes/scenarios

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by nik141993, Mar 19, 2017.

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Should India abandon its ‘no first use’ nuclear policy?

Poll closed Jul 19, 2017.
  1. Yes

    21 vote(s)
    31.3%
  2. No

    15 vote(s)
    22.4%
  3. Should keep an ambigious Policy

    19 vote(s)
    28.4%
  4. Threat Specefic Policy

    12 vote(s)
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  1. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think Troll IDF NewBie

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  2. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Govt of India will not launch a 100 nukes massive first strike.

    No way it will take blood of 150 million people.

    That's like doomsday scenario.

    We are sensible people.

    Have to do something less world ending.

    Be it deploying say the entire Chinar Corps from J&K into Afghanistan and raise a fresh Corps for J&K.

    Or poison Indus water.

    Or sink pakistani ships at sea. Perhaps hijack a PN frigate which is travelling in Indian Ocean.

    Execute entire crew and let vessel loose in Northern Arabian Sea for them to find.

    Or hire mercenaries to burn PAF Sargodha base down.
     
  3. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I saw you guys saying something about polluting the Pakistani water supply through different means. Only question is, what happens when China points to that precedent and does the same to us?
     
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  4. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Impose a 50% import duty.

    Vivo a Chinese company sponsoring India's IPL and hundreds such companies will face bankcrupcy.

    India China economic ties are very strong.

    + only water which china controls is the stuff flowing through NE India into Bangladesh.

    Arunachal and Assam can make alternative arrangements and surely we can set up a treatment plant if China does the same.
     
  5. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    we must start a complete boycott of Chinese products in India to start with. Pakistan can be tackled within 72 hrs.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Not possible Captain saheb.

    India lives on Chinese products.
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Oh really, How was India surviving without them 10 yrs back.
     
  8. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Growth of middle class.

    Chinese quality better than Indian quality for basic consumer goods. Much cheaper also

    Indian consumerism. E-commerce sector of India lives on chinese goods.

    10 years ago also chinese goods were there. Now they have dominance.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I am into air cargo biz, I track every product within India and also imported into India. I can tell you weight, volume, cost and other such details of every such product. The import growth from China has already started declining by a huge margin. maximum stuff that we got from China was low cost electronic items with a weight vd volume ratio of 1:1.4.
     
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    When I worked for an HVAC design firm in India, all the steel, aluminum, Cu, AlNico-Cu tubes were purchased from China because our Indian counterparts could not match quality with price. Additionally, the minimum order quantity was too high for a small-medium scale company like ours. What are we going to do purchasing a whole spool of tubing ?
     
  11. Anish

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    Yes sir due to demonitization consumerism has declined and still is but lets not go off topic.

    On topic-

    India-China economic ties are more valuable financially to China than their economic ties to Pakistan.

    So it is important factor for CPC when they decide to retaliate against India for poisoning Pakistan water supply.

    And since RAW would do it covertly we can also issue full deniability and who knows ISIS for the heck of it would take responsibility saying they were killing Shias or some crap
     
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    I have a friend who just launched in-house-designed high quality mountain bikes in India. http://psynydebikes.com/ The cost of getting the frames done in India would have made his selling price almost double of the current price, with no proper guarantee that the frames would last for long. He had to get the frames done in china. His Chinese counterparts did everything from getting the raw material to final fatigue testing the frames and even performing the tests needed to certify the ISO standards. You tell them want you want and they will do it for you without too much bickering and bitching .
    Brands like hero and bsa buy bulk bicycles from china (I am referring specifically to aluminum frames) and re-brand them to sell them in the Indian market. We are slaves to chinese manufacturing.
     
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    We were living without Chinese products just 10-15 years before and we can in future too.

    We have industrial knowledge, relevant technologies and base too to some extent. Why we don't have huge capacities to cater our and world's need or compete with Chinese is because we have corrupt bureaucracy, politicians, Govt. employees who are looking for cuts and commissions for doing their jobs/ providing relevant clearances to set up plants and if somehow these plants are set up then comes UNION and Union leaders, Local Goons/ MLAs, Corporators MPs, CMs demanding funds for parties/elections, etc. all these deter Industrialists from setting up plants for manufacturing and these companies avoid manufacturing and take route of importing products labeling them Make In India and just Marketing them with a few Managers.

    If you want to see Indian Industrial Capabilities then see Reliance Industries LTD, they have the largest Refinery in the world at Jamnagar which uses the worst kind of crude cheaply procured to making it into the world's best petroleum products including Petrol & diesel which are exported across Europe & not a single drop is marketed in India. Second example ARVIND mills which manufactures world's 75% denim Cloth and all top brands (Wrangler, Pepe, Lee, Levis etc.) procure denim from them.

    So you are absolutely wrong India lives on Chinese products, Instead we can make their lives hell with products manufactured in India and exported to world over bringing down their economy and bolstering ours, the only thing needed is concerted GOI efforts to do so.
     
  14. Anish

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    What i propose to hit the Pakistanis-

    Background-
    Pakistan economy is an agrarian economy.
    Rely mainly on agriculture. Manufacturing is non existent and services are even worse.
    90% Pakistanis live along its Rivers. All major cities and army facilities established within 10-25 km of rivers.
    The civilisation of Pakistan is essentially based upon the rivers.

    Proposal-

    1. A covert establishment of a facility along the Indus or one of its tributaries. Fake company is established and shed is built. Scrap machinery is installed. Random chemical waste and residue from all over India is procured and dumped into the river directly. Something bad happens downstream and the entire matter is totally top secret. We ensure there is no radioactive dumping to prevent any serious investigation from Pakistan side. This will be so cheap maybe less than Rs.50 lacs. Damage will be more than a single Rafale costing us Rs.600 crores.


    2. A covert establishment of a facility along the Indus or one of its tributaries. Fake company is established and a shed is built.
    Lab equipment and chemical manufacturing equipment is imported from (Germany/USA type) and DRDO contributes its best minds.
    We develop various sorts of poisons
    • Poison to kill crops. Pakistan economy is based on agriculture and when they have a harvest failure its people will starve to death and its economy will take such a major blow the Chinese will have to sell something like Shanghai to prop up their economy. Massive Saudi-Arab air bridge is expected flying food into Pakistan and probably UN and Pakistan try to investigate what went wrong. But our scientists should develop such strains in the poison that it looks like it mosquito borne disease combined with defective fertiliser. Expect tens of thousands of deaths due to starvation and a general economic collapse.
    • Poison to develop birth defects. A generation of Pakistanis will be born with failed organs and multiple limbs. Rural areas Pakistanis will only be drinking directly from bore wells or the rivers. So rural pakistan will be full of defective humans. Cities whatever water filtration they have will not be enough.
    • Poison for general death. Kill them all. Can be tested on limited basis and based on severity of deaths in Pakistan we can turn it up or down.

    3. A public overt establishment of a chemical manufacturing plant on the Indus river or one of its tributaries. An actual manufacturing facilities making chemicals or fertiliser and having poor to zero control of wastage and residue dumping in the river. Pakistan will go nuts and demand we close it. We can bargain something with them for this.

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    Please note in all 3 cases- Impossible for Pakistan to set up water treatment plants to treat and cure every cubic inch of water coming. They can only treat limited amounts of water and divert that into canal heading inwards to some location which is something their army will do for its own troops only when hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis start dying.

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    You can call me a sick mind however this thread calls for killing 180 million humans. I propose to kill less than half a million and the death to be controlled by us totally. We will be judge jury and executioner of the awaam of Pakistan. Let them fight in J&K we will fight them in their cities of Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Karachi, Multan. Let them behead one of our soldiers. We will make them grow a million second heads on their bodies by poisoning their water with genetic diseases. Let them attack a hospital. We will make sure their hospitals and the surrounding 10 square kilometres are full of dying patients for the next 10 years. Lets take the war into their homes, into their bathrooms, into their streets. Hit them with the apocalypse. Then let them say azaadi one more time.

    Jai Hind
     
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