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Mega Thread - The China Bogie : India-China Conflicts of Interest

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  1. layman

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    Dalai Lama in Tawang: Tibetan spiritual leader’s visit could test already-strained India-China ties
    Published March 29, 2017
    SOURCE : FIRSTPOST

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    Considering that India-China ties are going through a rough-patch, allowing Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, to visit Arunachal Pradesh is virtually like waving a red flag before a bull. His visit, starting in Tawang on 4 April, could further escalate tension as it seems like New Delhi is deliberately risking a confrontation with Beijing.

    Nay-sayers believe the consequences of a visit at this time could even lead to another border skirmish. But this is not the first time that the Dalai Lama is visiting Arunachal. As recently as November 2009, the Manmohan Singh government had allowed the Tibetan leader, who has made India his home since 1959, to travel to Arunachal.

    Despite loud protests from China before his visit, things settled afterwards and soon it was business as usual. China claims the entire state of Arunachal as its own, and says that the monastery town of Tawang is part of South Tibet.

    The Dalai Lama, as a young man, had challenged China. His rebellion was put down swiftly and he fled to India and set up a government in exile. Though China has long accepted the one-China policy, Delhi welcomed the Tibetan monk and set him up in Dharamshala, albeit forbidding him from indulging in any political activity.

    Splittist

    The Communist Party of China has always seen the Dalai Lama with suspicion. Though Tibet’s spiritual leader has been asking for more autonomy for Tibetans and not independence, he remains a hated figure for the Communist leadership. China believes that Western powers use the Dalai Lama to embarrass it. They regard him as a “splittist”, who is trying to break the one-China policy. So, his every visit to a western capital is condemned in the harshest manner.

    China is concerned that the Dalai Lama may declare a monk from Tawang as his successor. Though he has often said that he may be the last Dalai Lama and that the institution will die with him, Beijing does not believe him and thinks this is a strategy to disarm them. Beijing intends to name the next Dalai Lama from mainland China. So, the Tibetan leader’s Tawang visit will be closely monitored by a suspicious Beijing.

    The program released by the Dalai Lama’s office, reveals the dates of his travel to Arunachal, starting 4 April: The teachings in Tawang are scheduled from 5 to 7 April; the next stop will be in Dirang on 10 April; then in Bomdila the next day and he will round off the visit with a sermon in Itanagar, the state capital, on 12 April.

    Latest salvo on Tawang

    Considering the fragile nature of India-China ties at the moment, the visit may set the cat among the pigeons. Despite a long festering border problem, the two Asian giants have left their Special Representatives to deal with the issue and have tried to go ahead with both economic and people to people engagement.

    Sixteen rounds of border talks have yielded little results. The latest salvo on the border issue was by a former state councillor and China’s special representative for the boundary talks, when he said that a final settlement could be reached soon if India was ready to give Tawang to the Chinese in exchange for land in the west. This was not acceptable to New Delhi. During the UPA term as well, the Chinese had been pushing for Tawang, despite a former agreement that there would be no exchange of populated areas.

    Modi-Xi ‘bromance’

    Just three years ago, India-China ties seemed poised to take off. President Xi Jinping came calling in November 2014, a few months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi took office. Instead of flying in straight to Delhi, he visited Modi’s home state of Gujarat. Similarly, when Modi travelled to China in 2015, he was received by Xi in the latter’s home province.

    But things took a downwards turn with China’s investment of $46 billion to build infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). India protested against the plan, claiming the area as part of its own. The CPEC has made China-Pakistan relations even better. Since the beginning, China has used Pakistan as part of its strategic doctrine to counter India and now, with economic ties binding them together and talks of Chinese commando’s guarding the strategic assets, China‘s military can finally spread its wings in the region.

    Batting for Pakistan, China vetoed India’s ambitions of becoming a member of the Nuclear Supplier Group. At the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) too, Beijing has repeatedly refused to let Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) leader Masood Azhar come under UNSC sanctions. His organisation, JeM, is already a designated terror group. These two issues have dogged India-China ties since the last two years and has become a major irritant for India.

    But neither of these issues make a major difference. India already got the sanctions against it lifted in 2008, thanks to the United States. It is now free to go ahead with nuclear commerce and is no longer regarded as a pariah. JeM leader Azhar can always be used by Pakistan’s deep state, whether he is a designated terrorist or not. So why all the fuss?

    “I believe India is right in constantly raising these issues, but we need to play this strategically and with more fineness,” former foreign secretary Shyam Saran said.

    Saran sees this as part of the blow-hot-blow-cold ties between the two Asian neighbours. “In 2009, there was tension over stapled visas, there were intrusions by the PLA deep into Indian Territory in Ladakh, yet this was smoothed out… Frequent meetings between the leaders of India and China may have had no specific outcomes, but the positive ambience tricked down the line and the even keel was restored.”

    He acknowledges, though, that there is now a significant difference: “That ambience is not readily discernible with both sides upping the ante. The basic problem now is that China no longer hides the fact that it is far ahead of India, that it is the number one economy in the world and is on its way to become the number one global player. China no longer needs to be cautious about its ambitions. Instead, there is a conscious effort at power projection,” Saran said.

    What this would lead to is uncertain, but Saran believes that India needs to continue to fill in the loopholes in its defence.

    Ashok Kantha, India’s former ambassador to China till early 2016, believes that the Dalai Lama visiting Tawang will not make a dent on India-China ties. Asked about the constant chatter of coming closer to the US as a bulwark against China, Kantha said, “India is too big a country to depend on some other nation for our protection. Instead, we need to close the gaps in the border areas and build our defences.”

    He said that relations with China are complex, yet both countries have been able to maintain peace and tranquillity along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). There may have been intrusions, but not a single shot has been fired. This is an achievement for two nations that had fought a short border war in 1962. He, however, admits that there are “many discordant notes at the moment.”

    Economic ties surging

    Kantha stresses the point that despite a rough patch in their ties, Chinese investments in India are growing. Economic engagement as well as people to people contacts are all on the upswing. He said that roughly $70 billion of projects are in the pipeline. Of this, $32 billion are China-linked schemes. He admits that perhaps all of these projects may not finally see the light of day but, as of now, Chinese investments are ready to flow.

    Films

    During Xi’s visit to India in 2014, a decision was made to co-produce films. Three major films were made of which two, Kungfu Yoga and Buddies in India, were among the four films that did great business during the lunar New Year holidays. So far, India and China have been able to manage their relations in a mature way. Will this change is anyone’s guess.


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    The dragon at the NSG high table
    Published March 30, 2017
    SOURCE: THE HINDU

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    India’s bid for NSG membership will continue to see hurdles, with China being vocal in its opposition At the Carnegie Endowment International Nuclear Policy Conference in 2015, a polling question asked to the hall full of global diplomats and foreign policy experts was: “Is there a likelihood of more than 50% that by March 24, 2017, India will become a participant in the Nuclear Suppliers Group?”

    Only one panellist and 37% of the audience responded positively. Three panellists and 67% of the audience were naysayers, and they were proved right.

    A similar question asked to some 800 delegates recently at a subsequent chapter of the Carnegie conference in Washington DC gave way to a fragmented response. An average of 25% were hopeful of a 50% chance of New Delhi making it through by 2019. As India continues to push for a seat at the nuclear high table, it seems an uphill task, and the view from the Hill isn’t rosy either.

    The former UN High Representative for Disarmament Affairs, Angela Kane, believes that India stands a good 55% chance to make it but is opposed to India’s push. “I do not believe India should be a member of NSG because of criterion. In a meeting that I attended, the Chinese representative, a high-ranking ambassador, was very vocal, opposing the U.S. position on this.”

    Speculation is rife if over the next two years, either India or India and Pakistan or none could make it through the NSG.

    In the NSG plenary session in Seoul in June 2016, New Delhi blamed Beijing for the “Consensus Minus One” hurdle to its bid even though close to a dozen countries including Mexico, Brazil, Norway, Ireland expressed serious reservations over India not being signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty.

    It is now learnt from U.S. diplomatic sources that calls were generated from the White House as well as the State Department to some naysayers including New Zealand and Italy. Italy had wanted a way out on the diplomatic tangle around its two marines charged with the murder of Indian fishermen. They had sought trial in a third country as a possible option. New Delhi dismissed the proposals and Italy stuck to its opposition in the closed-door sessions.

    Since the Seoul summit, a committee under Rafael Mariano Grossi, Ambassador of the Argentine Republic and Permanent Representative to International Organizations in Vienna and Chair of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, was tasked with backdoor consultations for expansion of the elite club. According to him, “several formulations are on the table to deal with the central issue of relationship with the NPT”.

    “The jury is still out and we need to wait a little bit,” he says.

    The India-China-U.S. tango
    Indian and Chinese interlocutors too have held rounds of discussions to resolve mutual issues. But with a public opposition unlike a quiet one in 2008, Beijing looks less relenting.

    Laura Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador and Board Member at the World Affairs Council, says, “Even if India were to allow Pakistan to come in, some have suggested China might still be averse because they see this as elevating India to almost ranks of the P5 or Security Council membership.”

    A view from Capitol Hill is that China is positioned as a focal point of resistance for those who were persuaded or coerced earlier in 2008 by the Bush regime but remain resentful of a country-specific waiver for India. But if China were to shed its resistance, it would be easier to achieve consensus.

    Meanwhile, India would have to find ways to woo the dragon. With the Trump administration busy with domestic agendas ranging from health care to the economy and also North Korea, Iran and the Islamic State being the focus areas overseas, the U.S.-China dialogue will hardly hinge on Beijing’s position on the NSG tangle for now. The U.S. continues to advocate support for India’s membership. Dr. Christopher Ford, U.S. President Donald Trump’s adviser at the National Security Council, says that while the NSG stand-off requires a change in tactics or circumstances for resolution, there have been no indications of change in the U.S. administration’s approach to India’s membership so far.

    With the NSG plenary set to meet again in Bjern in June this year, despite technical preparations, a resolution will be difficult to reach without political will. A top diplomat privy to the negotiations stressed that a green light to India’s entry is a political decision that China will have to make.

    China may not shy away from advocating keeping out all-weather friend Pakistan in order to keep India out. Meanwhile, American diplomats advise patience as India already has the functionality it needed with the 2008 waiver for nuclear commerce. A seat at the high table will be required to influence decisions and nuclear export in future. So, any proposal to woo baiters would have to be window-dressed to look considerate of future bids from other non-NPT players including Israel, instead of appearing to be tailor-made only for India.

    For now, NSG will be an uphill task with China unwilling to play nice, and contentious issues of the H-1B visa, intellectual property rights and trade dominating the India-U.S. agenda when Prime Minister Narendra Modi goes to Capitol Hill.

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  3. lca-fan

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    Permitting Dalai Lama in Arunachal is India’s mistake: China

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    • “This will have serious damage on bilateral relation,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned
    • “China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region,” he added
    • China’s protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor
    BEIJING: Unable to block the upcoming visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh, China is now emphasising that India is committing a major mistake in allowing him to visit the border state.

    "This will have serious damage on bilateral relations (sic)," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang warned on Friday. "China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activity in the relevant region and we have expressed our concerns to the Indian side," he said.
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    China's protest highlights the dichotomy in its stand on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor where Chinese construction companies are building infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, a region claimed by India. Beijing says India need not worry about CPEC work because it will not affect its policy on the Kashmir issue. "On the eastern section of the China-India border, China's position is clear and constant. The Dalai clique has long been engaging in separatist activities with unglorious record (sic) ... But despite this India still invited the Dalai Lama to visit the region," Lu said.
     
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    Free tibet then talk
     
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    If you follow the recent developments with China, each time India ended up in the loosing side.
    The only way to make China feel the heat, is to force the issue. China thrives on Indian market. Cut that out and watch China burn!
     
  6. Himanshu Pandey

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    ok.. may you please put through some of these failure forward?
     
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    China warns India again on Dalai Lama’s Arunachal visit, says ties will be hit
    WORLD Updated: Apr 01, 2017 19:42 IST

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    China is enraged by the upcoming visit – as it is when the Dalai Lama attends any official function or meets leaders. Beijing sees him a “dangerous separatist” and a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”, who under the “camouflage” of greater autonomy for Tibet Autonomous Region, wants to create an independent Tibet or a breakaway region from China.

    On Friday, China reiterated its opposition to the visit.

    “China and India are two major developing countries and we are close neighbours. It is very important for the two peoples to maintain sound and steady China-India relations,” foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said.

























    “But such a relationship has to be built on certain foundations. Such visits will have deep damage on China-India relations. We have asked India to stick to its political pledges and not to hurt China-India relations. It will come down to India to make a choice.”

    Beijing’s sensitivities also arise from the festering border dispute with India as the boundary between the two large neighbours is yet to be fully demarcated.

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    “We are seriously concerned about the news. On the eastern section of the China-India border, China’s position is clear and constant. The Dalai-clique has long been engaging in separatist activities with inglorious record,” Lu said.

    “India should be very clear with the true nature of the Dalai-clique. But despite this, India still invited the Dalai Lama to visit the region. This will have serious damage on bilateral relations,” he said, responding to a question at the regular foreign ministry briefing.

    He added, “China firmly opposes the Dalai Lama carrying out any activities in the relevant region and we have expressed our concerns to the Indian side. We urge India to stick to its political statements, respect the consensus and avoid doing anything that might further complicate the matter.

    “It should not provide any platform for the Dalai-clique and only that way can China-India relations move forward in a sound and steady way.”

    In 1959, the Dalai Lama had escaped from China through Tawang, considered one of the most important seats of Tibetan Buddhism. Since then, he has visited Arunachal Pradesh in 1983, 1997, 2003 and 2009.


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    BEIJING: China today asked India to exercise "restraint" on its plan to link the strategic border district of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh with a railway network+ , saying any "unilateral action" might "complicate" the unresolved border issue.

    "We hope that the Indian side can exercise caution, show restraint and refrain from unilateral actions that might further complicate the question so as to create a sound condition for enhancing mutual trust between China and India and promoting proper resolution of the boundary question," the Chinese foreign ministry said.

    "China's position on eastern section of the China-India boundary is consistent and clear. At present, the two sides are working to resolve the territorial dispute through negotiation and consultation," the ministry told PTI in a written reply following a query about reports that India was exploring possibilities to link Tawang with a railway network+ .

    China has in recent days upped its rhetoric on claims to Arunachal Pradesh, which it says is Southern Tibet, and even warned India of "serious damage" to ties if New Delhi allows Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama to visit the state.

    The ministry yesterday warned New Delhi that the visit of the Dalai Lama+ , the highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism, will "come down to India to make a choice".

    Tawang, which happens to be the birthplace in 1683 of the sixth Dalai Lama, is at the centre of Tibetan Buddhism and a friction point between India and China relations.

    India and China are in discussion to resolve their border dispute that covers the 3,488-km-long Line of Actual Control (LAC). While Beijing claims Arunachal as part of Southern Tibet, India asserts that the dispute also covers the 'Aksai Chin' area, which was occupied by China during the 1962 war.

    The ministry said the two sides have "agreed that pending final settlement, both sides will work together to properly manage the dispute" and preserve peace in the border areas.

    The Chinese reaction today to the possible rail network and the Dalai Lama's visit to Tawang was the third time in recent weeks the foreign ministry has aired its objections.

    Tawang has immense strategic value to India due to its location. The hilly region close to the Sino-India border was also in the news earlier this month when Dai Bingguo, a former Chinese Special Representative for India-China border talks, said the border dispute can be resolved if New Delhi accepts Beijing's claim over Tawang.

    "If the Indian side takes care of China's concerns in the eastern sector of their border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India's concerns elsewhere," Dai had told the Chinese media in an interview.

    But the proposal was rejected as impractical by Indian officials as Tawang is an integral part of Arunachal Pradesh and has sent representatives to Parliament in every election since 1950.

    Lian Xiangmin, Director of contemporary research of China's state-run Tibetology Research Centre, last month said, "Tawang is part of Tibet and Tibet is part of China. So Tawang is part of China. There is not much problem here."

    India, giving a push to its strategic interests, is exploring the feasibility to link Tawang with a rail network. The government has asked Minister of State for Railways Manoj Sinha and Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju, who is also a Member of Parliament from Arunachal West seat, to explore the feasibility of a rail network in the remote area.

    The two ministers will tour the state to study the viability of connecting Tawang with Bhalukpong - the last station of the Railways on Assam-Arunachal Pradesh boundary at a distance of 378 kms - and to commence the final location survey of a new broad gauge line connecting the two cities.

    It takes 18 hours from Guwahati in Assam to reach Tawang by road. Guwahati is the nearest major city and Tawang residents depend on it for medical emergencies.

    The other broad gauge railway line that will be part of their survey will be the 249-kilometre North Lakhimpur-Bame- Silapathar section, which is between Pasighat airport and Rupa in Arunachal.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-on-tawang-rail-link/articleshow/57963760.cms
     
  9. Bhoot Pishach

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    Why China wants Tawang?

    Tawang has the only population out of Tibet which follows Tibetan Buddhism. Hence it is the place where next Dalai Lama can born, outside Chinese control. China completely want to scoffel freedom and voice of Tibet, which thanks to Dalai Lama is still alive.

    Tawang is also very important due to its Geo-political location, between China & India. Arunachal Pradesh the place where the Himalayan Ranges comes down to about 2500 meters. And from Tawang you can easily access the Tibetan Plataeu which is literally inaccessible from India. Near Tawang border China has Constructed Road No.202 which runs near Border.

    No other position between India & China where China dominates Heights. At all the other places its the India which dominates Heights. And it is the rare point at the Sino-Indo border which is accessible with Heavy Vehicles, from Chinese side.

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    This was the place in 1962 due to erroneous policies of Nehru-Menon-Kaul, saw the blo
    od bath. Where ill-equipped Indian forces were massacred by Chinese forces which were dominating the heights.

    Tawang will again see the furious war, if confrontation breaks out between China and India.


    But would like to remind all, that this is not 1962. China will have Bloody Nose this time around.
     
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    Another development which has put Chinese @$$ of Fire.

    RAILWAY LINK TO TAWANG!!!

    Train to Tawang near China border in Arunachal closer to reality

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    India’s bid to take trains to Himalayan heights has inched closer to reality with the start of survey work for a broad gauge track to Tawang, the focus of China’s claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

    On Saturday afternoon, minister of state for railways Manoj Sinha commenced the final location survey for three railway lines at Naharlagun railway station near Arunachal Pradesh capital Itanagar.

    The most ambitious among these is the 378km Bhalukpong-Tenga-Tawang line in northwestern Arunachal Pradesh. The other two are the 248km line to Aalo in the central and the 227km line to Parasuramkund in the southeastern part of the state.

    A broad gauge line exists till Bhalukpong on the Assam-Arunachal Pradesh border. Bhalukpong is the entry point on the road to Tawang at 10,000 feet about 290km away.

    Tawang is also connected by a helicopter service, but unpredictable weather often leads to cancellation of flights.

    “The survey work is part of the government’s decision take railways to every state in the Northeast. All the states in the region are connected except for Sikkim,” said HK Jaggi, general manager (construction) of Northeast Frontier Railway.

    The survey, he said, will find out ways of laying the track by avoiding high-altitude zones. “The Bhalukpong-Tawang line will be Indian Railways’ most challenging project and could cost more than Rs 70,000 crore.”

    The official commencement of the railway survey projects came a day after the defence ministry accepted the state government’s proposal for dual use of advance landing grounds (ALGs), a few of them close to the border of Tibet.

    These ALGs, developed and controlled by the Indian Air Force (IAF), are in operation at Ziro, Mechuka, Walong, Aalo, Pasighat and Tuting.

    “Scheduled and non-scheduled (civil) operations from the ALGs are being permitted by IAF. Work on these ALGs have already been completed and test landings done in most,” defence secretary G Mohan Kumar wrote to the state’s BJP government on Friday.

    Kumar also said existing building of IAF at Pasighat ALG can be used as the temporary civil terminal till the state government comes up with its own terminal.

    “Civilian operations would bring succour to the sick and needy who require urgent transportation especially from places like Mechuka, Tuting and Walong which takes days to reach by road,” Arunachal Pradesh chief minister Pema Khandu said.

    The use of the ALGs by civilians would go a long way in promoting tourism and other commercial activities to remote geographically-challenged areas.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-to-reality/story-uz71E02T2wK91mQAUyhAHK.html
     
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    Previous UPA Government of MMS was timid, and use to tremble in front of China.

    Now you see Modi directly staring straight into the Eyes of China.

    Mr. Modi is painstakingly reversing the Indian mind set of FEAR PSYCHOSIS with regards to engaging with and confrontation with China.

    Mr. Modi Keep the Good work.

    India must built RAILWAY LINK to TAWANG and develop it as INTERNATIONAL "BUDDHIST PILGRIMAGE CENTER" to counter China.
     
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    Brother....I won't drag political parties here....But I sincerely feel that what you said is a bit of an overstatement...

    I say so because...

    1) The Chinese are already assaulting our sovereignty every second in PoK and Aksai Chin...They occasionally do it in AP too...
    2) Let's not even talk about their recent endeavours in BD, SL, Nepal and Maldives...
    3) They are arming Pakistan...And making money as well as making Pakistan more equipped...The most troublesome deal is the 8 conventional Submarine one...
    4) They are blatantly shielding Pakistan and Certain Entities diplomatically.... Despite our interests...
    5) They are consistently blocking our NSG and UNSC membership 'applications'..
    6) A lot of people say that they have direct and indirect hand in separatist movements here...I can't in any way confirm this though...
    7)Who knows what they will do in the future...What if they make a Naval Base in Gwadar...!?
    8)They are building a very very strong Navy and they one day wish to maintain a permanent Presence in the IOR... Pakistan and Myanmar might as well give them that opportunity...
    9)The Chinese are also focusing heavily on building up Tibet Region Militarily...While everytime we build anything in AP the Chinese lose it....


    Now I am a pragmatic and a realist person...I don't expect any administration to come and change all this like Supermen...But atleast some of it... Should be resolved or there should be a clear plan to achieve it....There should atleast be a start...I am yet to see it...

    I admire many moves by this current administration....But regarding China...I have yet to see anything substantial....
    But of course...There might be things I am unaware of...And perhaps you can enlighten me....

    Does the current administration have a solution or a plan for all of the problems listed above....!?
     
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    When we raise question about PoK & CPEC, their answer is to take "Pragmatic Approach" and when we allow Dalai Lama to visit AP, they are behaving furiously.

    Amazing.. :biggthumpup::biggthumpup:

    If China doesn't behave properly, next step should be to form a group with US, Japan & Australia and have separate relationship with Taiwan..

    F*** the "One China Policy"..:azn::azn:
     
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    India has warned China that based on China's historic rights to South China Sea, India's historic rights claim are all the way to Manchuria and Inner Mongolia including Tibet - based on the Budhist culture India deployed in far east almost 2500 years back
     
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    And we all the members of IDF will get a chance to have that scenic (I bet it will be) train journey sometimes in their life time.:biggthumpup:
     

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