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Mega Thread - The China Bogie : India-China Conflicts of Interest

Discussion in 'Defence Analysis' started by NS52, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Nilgiri

    Nilgiri Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    Warn....does it.....warn....does it.....warn....does it...etc etc endlessly.

    Have a tissue China.
     
  2. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The solution and or plan for all of the above problems is "Make in India" so India becomes a economic power house and posses the financial muscle to bribe/buy-out the peripheral states, which China is doing shrewdly. On a strategic and nuclear arms level, India and china are at par with each other, but the conventional numbers can overwhelm India. unless India catches up on that front, a sure domination is not assured.

    Current strategies of China is to drain India's resources towards military and non-sense space activities. But India is handling it smartly and spending where it makes sense the most.
     
  3. lca-fan

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    Dalai Lama to Taiwan, India stands up to pressure from Beijing
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    Dalai Lama delivers a speech during the Namami Brahmaputra Festival.
    HIGHLIGHTS
    • The Dalai Lama is on 10-day visit to northeast.
    • China's has opposed Dalai Lama's visit to Arunachal Pradesh.
    • China is more concerned with Dalai Lama's stay in Tawang monastery.
    • However, India has ignored China's protests over Dalai visit.

    NEW DELHI: As China ramps up its rhetoric against the Dalai Lama's upcoming trip to Arunachal Pradesh, an unfazed India said China has been shifting its position on Tawang, making its current position less credible. The Dalai Lama kicked off his 10-day visit to the northeast on Saturday, which will take him to numerous destinations in Arunachal Pradesh on what is a purely religious sojourn.

    According to his office, he will consecrate a new Tara temple in Lumla on Tuesday, followed by discourses and teachings in Dirang and Bomdila as well as in capital Itanagar. All these areas have recently entered China's claim, but it is the spiritual leader's stay and teachings in the Tawang monastery from April 5-7 that is the focus of the Chinese government's ire.



    The Dalai Lama's visit and his teachings will serve to establish more clearly his spiritual sway over these Buddhist centres. Tawang monastery is second only to Lhasa in importance, and the fact that the Dalai Lama will be consecrating new temples, conducting initiation ceremonies and delivering benevolence will only cement his, and therefore India's, authority over these regions.


    A cursory look at the Dalai Lama's schedule over the next 10 days shows the significance of the visit. His official schedule says he will "give teachings on Kamalashila's The Middling States of Meditation (gomrim barpa) and Gyalsey Thokme Sangpo's Thirty-Seven Practices of a Bodhisattva (laklen sodunma)" at Yiga Choezin. On April 7, he will confer the Rinzin Dhondup Initiation at Yiga Choezin.

    "We have never conceded locus standi to China on Arunachal Pradesh," said Ashok Kantha, former ambassador to China and head of the Institute of Chinese Studies (ICS). Countering the Beijing narrative, officials said China has shifted its positions on Tawang over the years to the extent that its current line lacks credibility. China withdrew beyond the MacMahon Line after defeating India in the 1962 conflict, leaving Arunachal Pradesh and Tawang in Indian possession. Neither Chou En Lai in his discussions with Nehru in 1960 nor Deng Xiaoping in 1985 referred to Tawang at all.


    Jayadeva Ranade, China analyst, said the first time Tawang entered the official discussion was in 2005, by Dai Bingguo who was the special representative for boundary discussions until 2013. "In 2007, the Chinese identified Monyul (Tawang, Kameng and Dirangzon), lower Zoyul (Lohit valley) and Loyul (territory up to Walong) as central areas of interest to them," he said.


    In 2006, former Chinese envoy to India Sun Yuxi went back on the 2005 agreement on guiding principles, by denying an important component of the deal to leave populated and settled areas undisturbed. Interestingly, it was Dai Bingguo who rekindled the old debate of a vaguely worded land swap in recent weeks.

    Kantha said the Chinese stridency on Tawang and Arunachal Pradesh is a move away from the 1993 agreement between the two sides, "which made the LAC (line of actual control) the basis for negotiations. This was reiterated in five subsequent agreements. The Chinese are now moving away from this". In addition, China's "objections" to rail link to Tawang was specious, Indian officials said. In recent years, India has regularly rejected Chinese demarches on this issue. Meanwhile, the Chinese have continued to harden their positions. They have refused to allow pilgrimages via Demchok in Ladakh citing "disputes", on territory again occupied by India. While China participates in border trade at Nathu La, it refuses to do so at Shipki La, again citing 'dispute'.

    With China intensifying its pressure on India across a broad spectrum of issues - from blocking India in the NSG to colluding with Pakistan on tactical nuclear weapons - India is quietly, but surely pushing back. India has effectively junked reiteration of the one-China policy for over six years now, foreign minister Sushma Swaraj sharply connecting it to China's acceptance of a "one-India" policy. New Delhi has increased its interactions with Taiwan, making it more visible.

    The Dalai Lama, whose very existence is anathema to the Chinese official system, is more visible in official circles, including in a recent advertisement of the MP government, in the Rashtrapati Bhavan, in Karnataka and now in the sensitive Arunachal Pradesh.


    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/dal...ressure-from-beijing/articleshow/57976863.cms
     
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  4. lca-fan

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    The way China is reacting, Modi government and Doval's policy seems to be working.


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    The only way to treat a bully who has disrespected the rights of Japan, N Korea, Mongolia, and a bunch of SE Asian nations in SCS is to pay back in the same coin. India need to ramp up its gear, just Dalai Lama and Taiwan is not enough. India should declare the illegal occupation of Tibet, Uighur, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria as illegal.
     
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    It seems China overplayed their cards .Now they dont have any cards left .
    What a bad deal
     
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    A old Hindi saying "KISI KO ITNA MAT DARAO KI USKA DAR HI KHATAM HO JAYE". This is precisely the case now with China. Now India is no longer afraid of Chinese bullying. This was done by NSA AJIT DOVAL. Now India replies China EYE FOR AN EYE.
     
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    Dalai Lama Fled To India After Failed Armed Rebellion: China
    World | Press Trust of India | Updated: April 03, 2017 09:27 IST


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    The Dalai Lama fled from Tibet in 1959 and has lived in India in exile since then.

    BEIJING: China said the Dalai Lama fled to India from Tibet in 1959 after a "failed armed rebellion", rejecting his remarks that he had no other option but to escape due to increased Chinese military action.

    "As it is known to all, the 14th Dalai Lama is an anti-China separatist who have long lived in exile following a failed armed rebellion by the reactionary group of high-ranking feudal serf-owners in Tibet in March 1959," the Chinese Foreign Ministry said yesterday reacting to his comments.

    "His remarks which serve his anti-China separatist purpose have no trace of facts at all," the Ministry told PTI in a written response to a query about his comments.

    About his stay in India, the Ministry said, "the Chinese government is resolutely opposed to any country's support and facilitation for the 14th Dalai group's anti-China separatist activities".

    The 81-year-old Tibetan spiritual leader recalled, on Saturday, during his visit to Assam that "On March 10, 1959, there were huge demonstrations in Lhasa", the Tibetan region's capital.

    "Chinese military action also increased. I had no option but to escape. On March 17, I fled."



    He said the warm-hearted welcome he received on his arrival at Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh 58 years ago was a "moment of freedom" for him.

    Chinese troops entered Tibet in October 1950 overcoming the resistance from the Tibetan army and later the Chinese control over the area was formalised in 1951.

    The Dalai Lama fled from Tibet in 1959 and lived in India in exile since then.

    For the third time in recent weeks, China warned India last Friday the Dalai Lama's to Arunachal Pradesh, which Beijing claims as part of Tibet, will cause "serious damage" to bilateral ties.

    The Tibetan spiritual leader will visit Tawang tomorrow to attend religious engagements.
    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/dalai-lama-fled-to-india-after-failed-armed-rebellion-china-1676496
     
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    Dalai Lama and Tibet: India’s leverage against China
    TNN | Updated: Apr 3, 2017, 08.43 AM IST
    HIGHLIGHTS
    • Dalai Lama has expectedly steered clear of political positions, saying there is nothing new in China’s objections to his visit.
    • Tibet, along with Taiwan, remains absolutely non-negotiable for China and this makes the task for Indian diplomacy more challenging.
    • There is a risk of escalating tensions in an already fraught relationship between the two countries

    NEW DELHI: Though India-China relations remain uneasy, Beijing's fulminations over Tibetan leader Dalai Lama's upcoming visit to Arunachal Pradesh could indicate that the Buddhist icon and the Tibet issue might provide some leverage to India in its relations with its giant neighbour.

    The Dalai Lama has expectedly steered clear of political positions, saying there is nothing new in China's objections+ to his visit. Yet, the sharp language with China warning of " serious damage+ " to bilateral ties should be read with its increasing testiness over the prominence being given to the Dalai Lama.

    Indian officials argue that the Dalai Lama is not doing anything that is a departure+ from his usual activities and his proposed visit to Arunachal Pradesh and the famous Tawang monastery is a result of the long-standing demand of his followers. But they point out that if this really agitates China, then it also reveals a pressure point that can come handy in interactions at the political and diplomatic level.

    China remains fully in control of the Tibet plateau with a strong military and administrative presence but the region, along with Xinjiang, remains a worry for the authorities as recent restrictions on religious displays in the latter area indicate.

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    China asks India for caution, restraint on Tawang rail link


    Tibet, along with Taiwan, remains absolutely non-negotiable for China and this makes the task for Indian diplomacy more challenging.

    There is a risk of escalating tensions in an already fraught relationship and commentators have pointed out that the jab, counter-jab which has marked ties needs to be moderated or at least prevented from painting both sides into positions which are politically difficult to reverse.

    Indian official and political sources feel there is room to create some counter pressure on China that has been unyielding on border negotiations despite the absence of gun fire along disputed borders. Tibet and the Dalai Lama can help India counter in some measure the vice like veto China exercises+ on India's entry to the Nuclear Suppliers Group and its move to bring Pakistan-based terrorist mastermind Masood Azhar under UN sanctions.

    To this end, the Dalai Lama has been invited to Rashtrapati Bhavan, met the visiting Australian cricket team and was feted by chief ministers of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Assam. His visit to northeast has seen minister of state for home Kiren Rijiju in attendance.

    The developments are accompanied by the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley assuming an increasingly public role after years of near solitary existence. The Dalai Lama, who remained under the shadow of suspicion over his escape from China in 1999, has not been cleared of misgivings that could never be established. This has not gone down well with China either as it suspects that he may well visit Tawang sooner or later despite a disputed succession there. The Dalai Lama's visit to Tawang under Indian patronage seriously undermines China's claims to Arunachal Pradesh being a part of "south Tibet".

    The claim has been highly exaggerated and based on contentious history and the Dalai Lama is a hugely legitimising figure for India.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...verage-against-china/articleshow/57981126.cms


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    Seems like Chinese are like to warn more these days lol,
    So India is doing something right. Good.
     
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    Chinese govt. has made a warning dept and have also made a seperate warning ministry for it which issues daily warnings to US, India, Dalai Lama, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, etc, etc etc........................

    And it is working overtime.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Warning or no warning they will do what they want to do, Does India's concerns matter.

    Let them support in Putting JuD chief in the terror list what blocking them, do they have any evidence on contrary to India's dossiers ?
    If they have problem with NSG's support then why are they pegging India's entry to Pak's entry which has a dismal records to proliferation.?
    etc. etc.
     
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    We have tried for everything for a peaceful conclusion with China.But they needs CPEC in PoK and Arunachal Pradesh.

    Now let see how much they can go with their 'needy' thing .

    Noone believes this statements issued by Chinese Warning ministry except Pakistan and NK .What a wonderful team
     
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    They have been testing our patience until now.
    Azhad Mazhoor is a third rate criminal but a giant nation would stoop at any level to support him .So we also dont need to consider their concerns
     
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    Well they are still in the status of Old Govt. periods or they would like to think so, i guess.
    These are fantastic moves and brilliant, If China wants to raise Pak to curtail India, Mere notion or assumption of Dalai Lama in Tibet would send shock waves.
     
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