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Midair Refuellers Tender - Airbus A330 MRTT Vs Boeing KC-46 Vs IL-78

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    We had several issues wrt maintainance, reliability and spare support with them. The operational costs are said to be higher as well, since they are military specific aircrafts, compared to twin engined civil airliners the Europeans and Americans offer. Capability is als an issue, because you hardly can use them in transport role of cargo or passengers.
     
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  3. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    And another pointless IDRW report. The refuelling kit was considered as an alternative to French and German government buying C130J with tanker capabilities, for special ops.
    There is neither a relation to India, nor would a C295 serve any purpose for us, since the amount of fuel it can carry and transfer is far too low.
    If Airbus would offer an alternative to us, it would be A400 transport tanker.
     
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    Indian Jatt 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Maybe it can be used to refuel fighters with single engine, they can be maintained in far less dollars than IL 76?? Even of USAF C130J were used as refuelling ships during the invasion of Iraq....they refuelled super stallions and other single engine fighters
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    They refuelled helicopters, because they can fly slow enough, but neither does IAF have that requirement, nor is there a difference in refuelling a single or a twin engined fighter.
    What IAF needs, is an aircraft that offers high fuel capacity, good range and endurance, to cover a wider area.
     
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    We don't have a requirement.
    Also remember, C130J is twice big as c295.
     
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    Since we are buying c 295 anyways and our tanker assets are very less in number, I think there is no harm in getting this additional capability .

    We talk about refuelling probe in every fighter , without adequate tanker.
     
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    We need to replace averos....:hmm:
     
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    Navy likes stallions, LHD may carry super stallions and merlins, so can navy have them on shore??
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Merlins are blacklisted and the helicopters from the LHD/LPD would not need range extention.
    IN mainly need tankers on their carriers, to refuel Ka 31 and fighters, but except of Mig 29K, only the V22 would serve that purpose.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/n...nstrates-refuelling-contacts-with-helicopter/
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Internal fuel capacity comparison (transferable fuel is less):

    A330 MRTT - 111.000Kg fuel
    KC767 - 96.297Kg fuel
    IL 78 MKI - 85.720Kg fuel
    A400M MRTT - 50.800Kg fuel
    KC130J - 27.215KG fuel
    C295W MRTT - 6.000Kg fuel
     
  13. The enlightened

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    Good enough for special operations.
     
  14. Sancho

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    Most customers don't have that requirement, to refuel helicopters for long range special ops (just as India doesn't) and even if, the KC130J would be more suitable with capacity, range and endurance in mind.
     
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    We might.

    KC-130 is significantly more costly and will not be produced in India. Besides MRTT just adds a pallet system requiring minimum modifications.

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    Good capability addition on the cheap.
     

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