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Midair Refuellers Tender - Airbus A330 MRTT Vs Boeing KC-46 Vs IL-78

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    As far as I can tell the greatest utility for a C-295 based AAR is to refuel rotary wing assets hence it is silly to compare it with MRTTs based on wide body airliners.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    then theres a problem airbus can give an a330 mrtt to india at the cost there willing to pay but will use used planes.
    heck its no big deal Australia used ex qantas a330's for their a330 mrtt's
     
  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    The DRDO/IAF are buying the A330 for their next generation AWACS project and the total demand for A330s for the IAF by 2030 could easily be 30+ airframes and the IN may want 8-10 on top of this.

    I'm sure Airbus will be able to give a competitive offer with this in mind
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    will india buy 30+ in one go? if not then its all hype like the rafale.
     
  5. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Most countries don't commit to such vast capital projects in one go, orders will be spread out in tranches. Currently there are only firm commitments for 6 AARs and 8 A330-based AWACS but it is apparent to all the demand exists for such large numbers.
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The aircraft is available, just not in the tanker varient and I meant the advantage over IL78.
    Yes upgrades will be done, but they won't get a longer cargo hold so so additional fuel tanks can be integrated. Russia once planed with a new tanker, that also can carry a 4th internal fuel tank, not sure what happened to those plans.
     
  7. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I was saying the same tanker varient is not ready.

    It's a Boeing Vs Airbus fight, without boom Russians are not wasting time.
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I don't think the boom plays a role for IAF.
     
  9. somedude

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    What about the C-17 and C-130J? Don't they need a boom to be refueled? At least the USAF models do.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    How do you refusal C17 or P8I ?
    AFAIK IAF asked for it.
    @Gessler
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The C130Js have refuelling probes and the we have no need to refuel the C17, since we don't operate them and tankers abroad, other than in exercises.
    IAF even required a modification of the F16s in MMRCA to be compatible to our tankers.
    The only aircraft that would benefit from boom refuelling, would be the P8I, which however would not fall into IAFs priorities.
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.indiastrategic.in/topsto...irbus_Military_A330_MRTT_as_midair_tanker.htm
     
  13. Indian Jatt

    Indian Jatt Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    V22
    V22 are raptors of helicopter, they can carry awacs too on their shoulder span, and become a refueling ship too....but its maintenance is tedious task, costs more than a single rafale and will have less mission time and more hanger time....we need more deck space too, i would like to state in rajpal style, " koi humko prince of wales dedo"!!!!!!
     
  14. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yes, because Indian military procurement adequately represents Indian Armed Forces needs.:rolleyes:

    Hardly as those KC-130's will require significant modifications over its base variant versus just a pallet based C-295 besides their small numbers mean thede aren't many available. OTOH We know that at least 60+ of 295 are to be made in India. Besides a C-295 costs like $20 million versus the $150 million India paid for the Hercules so it's a rather stupid comparison in the first place.:victory:
     
  15. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    There is no sense in buying a tactical airlifter over a civilian convert for the tanker role unless it is for rotary wing (which you are otherwise opposing in other debates) and it is already planned for service in other roles. Besides being significantly less capable, it will be less efficient, have lower life, cost more to operate and in this case A400M - more to buy. Which is why nobody in the world has done it!
     

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