MiG-29: Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. ArmChairGeneral
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    Mr Yadav, please do not defend me. I shall defend myself. Thanks.
     
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    If that is true, why spend billions on F-35?
    Fast moving a/c is very difficult to control via remote.
    Slow moving a/c can be shot down easily. Iran just did that using outdated Su-25. (shot US drone)

    Issue is not only effectiveness of a platform but also survivability of that platform.
     
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    By 2028 for the most part they wont be remote control, they will be automated and against fighter robots that can pull 20 Gs it will the the survivability of manned aircraft that is in question.
     
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    Mr Yadav,

    India should buy what makes sense for its defence. It does not matter if it comes from Russia or Timbaktoo.

    And India should absorb the technology and use that for domestic production, like China.

    Russians have been friends and stood by India for a long time. You do not run down friends. Spar with Russia, yes, and I am sure IAF/IA should take any supplier to task that does not meet contract. However that sparring should be sensible.

    Arms were cheap during the cold war when both Soviet bloc and Western bloc had huge factories. That is not the case anymore. Now the arms are expensive. Even Russian stuff has become expensive as they have incorporated features to compete with West.

    The problem with Russia are same as India, poor project management and quality control. However Russian R&D is far better than India. Russia did not build all kind of stuff out of thin air. Many Russians worked hard, very hard.
     
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    I wasn't defending you

    I was Just remembering the days
    when i and HP were new to this forum :cheers:

    Our reactions used to be just like yours are right now
     
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    we used top say the same things about Russia :partay:

    (actually things which essentially meant the same as you are saying)
     
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    Mr Yadav,

    You do not get it. My objective is not about Russian arms. I know the weaknesses of Russian arms much before you understood anything about defence.

    Nehru was a pseudo-socialist and took to USSR due to his political beliefs. Also USSR was friendly, as against West which always played games with India. So there is a history why we have Russian weapons.

    Soviets did not build stuff to last long. They had huge factories. They replaced a tank every 10-15 years. The same with an artillery gun. Defence was the largest industrial sector in USSR, so it was a means of providing employment.

    An imported weapon provides no employment or tech to India. So all the imports were a drain on India's resources. So India could never buy the quantities needed for adequate defence. The end-result is that India is stuck with low quality weapons in inadequate numbers. It is either low number of high-quality weapons or high number of low-quality weapons. You have to choose your strategy.

    What shocks me is that India knew that its USSR based arms strategy has blown up in 1990. We had insurgency in Kashmir immediately after USSR breakup. These two events are related. However India failed to convert this misfortune into an opportunity be building local industry. It continued to rely on the government/public enterprises, formed under Nehru's socialist streak, and now rife with labour problems and inefficiency.

    The world will not wait for India to fix its problems. Countries like China will pounce on India in its moment of weakness. If you sleep on the wheel, the result is accident and death.
     
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    [MENTION=8572]Gessler[/MENTION] nice pics
     
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    India bought 16 Mig-29K for IN Vikramaditya. Then an additional 29 were bought (all TBD by next year). This is good 2 squadrons.

    More than 60 Mig-29B/UB are being upgraded to Mig-29SMT standard. So India already has 5 Mig-29 operational squadrons.

    Looks likely India will buy more as both IAF/IN are happy with this version of Mig-29. If additional orders happen for Mig-29, good reason to believe that Rafale's chances are weakening, and IAF wants to jump to fifth generation henceforth.
     
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    I think India surely going to induct rafale. I don't think it will sidelined
     
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    Indian Air force cannot afford to sideline the Rafale
    it is necessary in face of rapidly depleting fleet
    The induction of the 5th generation fighter won't start before 2019 for PAK FA
    and about 2022 for the FGFA

    the MiG-29k are for INS Vikramaditya and IAC-1
    each fielding about 20 jets while 4-5 will be for training the pilots

    IAC-2 and IAC-3 will most likely field Rafale-Ms

    or the 5th Gen AMCA along with PAK FA naval variant
    but i doubt it will be ready by 2020, but i am a bit doubtful
    about the 5th gens to be ready in time for the IAC-2
    they will be certainly ready by the induction of IAC-3
     
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    IAC-3 :hmm:
    so india is planning for this. last night i'm discussing it
    by the way undoubtedly ur facts r right
     
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    INS Viraat will be retired by 2018
    INS Vikramaditya will serve as its replacement

    IAC-1 i.e INS Vikrant (2013) will be similar in terms of capabilities of the INS Vikramaditya

    IAC-2 i.e INS Vishal will be larger at 65,000 tones but will have a conventional propulsion system

    IAC-3 yet to be named or declared officially will be the 1st Nuclear powered carrier of India
    design work is yet to start on it.
     
  15. S K Mittal
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    now i can say wikipedia was not wrong. INdia will surely go for 4-5 CBGs in future. but this will happen after2030

    by the way can you provide a credible link for existance of IAC-3. i want to show it to [MENTION=6078]Vritra[/MENTION]
     

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