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MiG-29: Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. Anish

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    India May Send Team To Evaluate Malaysian MiG-29 Fighter Jet Fleet

    India may an Indian Air Force (IAF) team to examine Malaysia's 20 year old MiG-29 fighter jet fleet to possibly buy the planes, upgrade and induct them into the IAF fleet.

    "There is a possibility too that India will buy our MiG 29 aircraft for refit. We reciprocate by accepting spare parts for our Sukhoi aircraft program," Prime Minister Najib Razak was quoted as saying by Bernama news agency last week following his visit to New Delhi and meetings with the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    Malaysia had bought 16 MiG-29s from Russia in 1995 but due to limited hours' training, lots of life is still left in six MiG-29s which are operational in the Royal Malaysian Air Force. India expects that with limited upgradation, the MiG-29s can be available for service for the next two decades.

    The cost of the upgradation is also expected to be low, Sputnik news reported Saturday.

    "Malaysia is a friendly country. India has for years supported training of Malaysian pilots by positioning MiG-29 instructors. India has also supported the maintenance of these aircraft and provided spares.” said Air Marshal (Retd) Anil Chopra to Sputnik News, the team leader of the MiG-21 upgrade project in Russia in the late 1990s.

    “India is quite conversant with the technical state of these aircraft. They may also come relatively cheap," Chopra added.

    The upgradation of the Indian Air Force's 67 MiG-29s is nearing completion with 90 percent of indigenous spare parts which would extend their service life by another 10-15 ytears

    Earlier this month, the Indian and Malaysian Prime Ministers envisaged greater defense co-operation between the two countries including purchase of MiG-29.

    The Indian Air Force is facing the aircraft scarcity due to retirement of MiG-21 fleet and similar older generation aircraft. Recently, India has signed deal to procure 36 Rafale aircraft from France but deliveries of the aircraft would only begin in September 2019 and is expected to be completed by April 2022. Further, 123 indigenous LCA Tejas will also be inducted by 2024 only.

    The current Indian Air Force strength is 34 squadrons with 18-20 aircraft per squadron, which is obviously below the required strength of 42 squadrons suggested by the Indian parliamentary panel for defense for two front wars.

    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18...laysian_MiG_29_Fighter_Jet_Fleet#.WUUnmlKB3BI
     
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    If we get all 16 we can raise a new squadron with the remaining 3-5 taken from existing 3 squadrons all of which are over strength.
     
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    What's that light like thing protruding out over the cockpit
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    20 Million USD and 10 years of life.

    Vs

    30 Million USD and 25-30 years of life.

    The second option is better. Its better to order 2 Squadrons of Mig29SMT directly from Russia.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Why take 2 squads from Russia, when you already have them available in India?
    We have 45 x Migs in Goa, with the same techs and weapons as these UPGs. So if we want a fast and efficient gap filler, just take them.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The thing is , IN doesn't see Mig29K as we do [We wanted it to be an Indian counter part in capability to NATO carrier wings, mainly with respect to long range strike missions ] , but IN looks it as a replacement and upgrade of Harrier fleet , still good enough to dominate PN.

    So untill IN has a replacement of Mig29K, I don't think IN is giving these Mig29K.

    Further IN wants shore based fighter jets too, so even after a carrier based replacement of Mig29K is found, Mig29K will find utility as a Shore Based Air Superiority/Defence platform.
     
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    This is India. Please remember the Mig-21 is still the frontline and numerically highest fighter of the IAF. And we started induction in 1963.

    When budgets are limited tough decisions must be taken. While procuring of Mig-29 from Malaysia seems unlikely it is very much possible and possibly such an action can also be done covertly. But then again IAF never liked their Mig-29's too much.
     
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    IAF has a massive huge ego.

    It will rather dump 45 Mig-23's on the Navy and take 45 Mig29K's.

    It is not going to accept a charity, hand me down offer. You should hear the guys talk about IAA.
    Such a deal and several members of the brass will resign.

    Its not going to happen. Besides Mig29K is not a very reliable aircraft and apart from the engine it has other issues.

    IAF will proactively avoid such a headache.
     
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    IN doesn't play a role here, it's MoD that has to take efficient action and divert those Migs into IAF service, because it's a win win situation for all sides!

    IAF can fast replace 2 squads, without new logistics or training
    IN get rid of the fighters they didn't wanted anyway and can expand their NMMRCA from 57 to 100+

    MoD gets the time to finish their SPM SE tender and possibly a local production line for a naval fighter.

    Btw, as much as I would support shorbased maritime attack and air defence under IN's control, that won't happen and remains under IAF, just as the Apache helicopters. :tsk:
     
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    Russia Plans to Sign Deal on Malaysia’s MiG-29 Aircraft Upgrade at MAKS

    Russia plans on signing a contract with Malaysia to modernize the latter’s MiG-29 fighter jets as part of the XIII International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS, the director of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), Dmitry Shugaev, said Tuesday.
    ZHUKOVSKIY (Russia) (Sputnik) – The International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS is held in the town of Zhukovskiy in the Moscow Region from July 18-23.
    "We plan to finalize such a serious process as modernization of Royal Malaysian Air Force’s MiG-29 jets. Today, [Malaysia's] Air Force Commander is here. We hope that everything will be successful," Shugaev said.
    A total of 18 Russia-made MiG-29N fighter jets became part of Royal Malaysian Air Force’s (RMAF) fleet under a 1993 deal. On March 21, a representative of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) told Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak that Russia was ready to modernize Malaysia's MiG-29N fighter jets to MiG-29SM, and provide full repairs to this end.
     
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    What Is Worse Than Cheap Russian Crap
    by James Dunnigan

    Myanmar bought 20 MiG-29 fighters from Russia, for $35 million each. China offered the similar FC-1 for less than half the price. Yet Myanmar chose the more expensive aircraft. What was odd about this was that both aircraft have questionable reputations.
    This sale earned Russia some criticism because Myanmar (formerly Burma) is a military dictatorship with a very bad international reputation. But Russia is desperate to keep the MiG-29 from fading away. To that end, Russia also ordered 24 MiG-29Ks for its sole aircraft carrier, to replace the Su-33s that currently serve on the ship. However, most of the current news about the Mig-29 has been bad.

    Malaysia, for example, admitted that it got rid of its MiG-29 fighters because the aircraft were too expensive to maintain. It costs about $5 million a year, per aircraft, to keep them going. Most of the MiG-29s provided satisfactory service. Malaysia was a long time user of U.S. aircraft, so they were able to compare Russian and American warplanes. The Russian aircraft cost less than half as much as their American counterparts. The Malaysians find that an acceptable situation, even though they face better trained pilots flying F-16s in neighboring Singapore

    What Is Worse Than Cheap Russian Crap Ans. Old Russian Crap.
     
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    Russia, Malaysia Sign Agreement on Modernization of Malaysian MiG-29

    So no deal with India?
     
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    The 223 squadron Adampur that flies the twin-engined MiG 29UPG got its standards/colours today. The Adampur base near Jallandhar is key base of #IAF and one among the first responders in case of an intrusion from the west
     

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