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MoD calls for fresh Army gun bids

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  1. Zarvan

    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Pune: The Ministry of Defence has initiated a fresh move for acquisition of close quarters battle (CQB) carbine guns for the Indian Army after a previous deal with an Israeli firm had to be called off last year because it involved a single vendor.

    A senior MoD official, associated with the development, told TOI over phone that a request for information about the weapon was issued recently.

    "A Request For Information (RFI), relating to CQB carbine guns of 5.56 calibre, with a minimum striking range of 200 metres, was issued a few days ago. It sought offers from global as well as Indian vendors," the official said.

    The Indian Army is currently using submachine guns of 9mm calibre that, experts point out, have not been effective in striking targets beyond a range of just 50 metres.

    "The defence ministry had to cancel an earlier deal as it involved only one firm from Israel. As per norms, multiple players are required to submit competitive bids for fair selection," the MoD official said.

    According to the MoD source, the Army requires nearly 4 lakh CQB-effective carbines out of which the immediate requirement is for nearly 83,000 CQB guns.

    A senior infantry officer, with extensive operational experience in the Jammu and Kashmir region, said the current weapon lacks accuracy beyond a range of 50 metres. "The current carbine also has several other problems, including jams while firing. The need is for a competent and reliable carbine gun, which is also easy and comfortable to use," the officer said.


    He continued: "The carbine is extensively used by the Indian Army for house clearing. Instances of firefights in close quarters are high in these situations. For example, in the Kashmir valley, terrorists are often holed up inside buildings. In such situations, one cannot afford to have an unreliable weapon."




    Another infantry officer said submachine guns made by Italian firearms manufacturer Beretta, and procured for the Border Security Force, had been proving effective. "This gun has delivered the desired results for the BSF. Similarly, the government should procure a new carbine gun for the Army at the earliest," the officer said.



    The Indian Army operates on some of the most difficult terrain in the world and personnel have reported firearm malfunctions, including jams, due to dust and weather. Weapon reliability then, is one of the foremost requirements of the troops.




    The Army also wants the new gun to be upgradable. This requirement would mean the weapon platform should be able to include several types of modern sights and accessories. Most of today's modern armies use weapons that can be fitted with night-vision and targeting accessories, including enhanced sights.





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    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-fresh-army-gun-bids/articleshow/60997570.cms
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Most likely winner if the competition goes through: M4 CQBR/Mk.18

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  3. Zarvan

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    M4 is old thing now you have good budget should go for some new Rifle may be Berreta or latest CZ BREN or AK-15 or even SCAR
     
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    This is a competition for CQB carbine. Not full-length service rifle for infantry.

    I originally thought the Tavor X-95 would be a competitor (could still be) but the RFI papers say that the weight should be preferably under 3kg. Only the M4CQBR or some Galil ACE version could possibly qualify for that.

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    If the other points manage to offset the weight (they did not explicitly rule out +3kg guns), especially like having an established local production deal like IWI has with Punj Llyod, then the X95 may indeed be the best best:

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  5. Lion of Rajputana

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    How far along are we on that process anyways?
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    RFI was issued. No news since then, at least none that I know of.
     
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    Bren in 7.62x39 or Galil Ace in 7.62x39.
     
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    5.56 as per article.
     
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    Beretta was rejected during trials for flimsy reasons. Hopefully it makes the cut again.
     
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    Weight preferably less than or equal to 3 Kgs.

    Tentative date of issue of RFP is July 2018. Total Quantity required is approximately 4,00,000 CQB Carbine out of which the immediate requirement is of approximately 83,000 CQB Carbines. The approximate quantity 83,000 CQB Carbines should be delivered within four (04) months to twenty four months (24) from the day of signing of the contract. The vendors should confirm if they can deliver requisite quantity of CQB Carbine within the stipulated timeframe.
     
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