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More Mig-29 to be bought to replace Mig-21

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Anish, Dec 5, 2014.

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  1. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    So MIG-29 has appeared has stop gap interesting soon it might end up to Mig-35 then Rafale become immaterial

    This is becoming real interesting
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    What is the size of the Mig29 fleet?

    Some sources say 61,66,78,82. Then talk about 4th squadron at Farkhor some even say 5th squadron at Ayni.

    1st and 2nd are at Adampur,Punjab and 3rd at Jamnagar,gujarat.

    Add to that all the ones stored by CAC in BKT and Bareilly.
     
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    Exactly how many are there?? If new Mig-29M which is based on naval mig-29k are replaceing mig-21 in IAF as defence minister said the why we need MMRCA ??? This is really confusing
     
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    Wish someone would tell me the exact figure.

    We need 42-45 squadrons.

    Rafales have their own place.
    Mig-29 have their own place.
    Su-30 have their own place.

    Don't forget Rafale is superior to Mig-29 in Interdiction and SEAD.

    After SMT upgrade Mig-29 can boast of limited A2G capabilities.
     
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    Air interdiction and SEAD on dead rubber like libya?? I don't call it the proveing ground

    Mig-29 and 35 without thrust vectoring itself will out menuver rafele in close combat imagine with TVC , and it is much cheaper than rafale ,logistics and maintenance support base is readily available in india for last series of Migs

    Ground attack role can be performed by mirage, jaguar , mig-27 and SU-30mki let MiG-29 be out and out air superiority fighter with limited ground attack wiil be major boost

    Cut this MMRCA crap ASAP send france packing like brazilians did
     
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    Interesting news if true.
     
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    I think he must be mentioning the upgraded Migs
     
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    dead rubber like Libya? Libya under Gaddafi had a strong military. Don't confuse present day Libya with Gaddafi era Libya. Rafale proven itself in Iraq, Syria, Mali, Afghanistan etc.

    Mig-29 does not have TVC nozzles. In close combat Rafale may have the edge but it depends on the pilot. There is no alternative to Rafale as it is a true multirole fighter. Only Mirage and Su-30mki are somewhat multirole.

    Add to that very high availability of Rafale, much lower RCS and METEOR and buying Rafale makes Rafale-M available for INS Vishal.
     
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    Gadafi libya was strong ?? Lol i'm not confused like you are with rafale crap ability, gaddafi army was not strong enough to match taliban and ISIS resistance against NATO they went down like mushrooms,only you can boost your rafale to top tier can't expect others to follow suit .Mig-29 has proved it's metal in kargil so the aircraft doesn't need certificate from you

    Mig-29OVT comes from TVC and Mig-35 has optional TVC it might hope you are aware if not tge check Mig-29 wings documentary , it can whup rafale any given time in close combat because it can out meneuver

    If mig-29 is being brought to replace mig-21 then RAFALE has no role has to be scrapped
     
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    Good thing Indian Air Force and Ministry of Defence do not share your line of thought.

    carry on
     
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    Yes I agree they carry your line of thought by buying MIG-29 from russia to replace Mig-21 as mentioned on thread , but Rafale negotiation is still on and on turbulance stage will not be surprised if it is downsized or scrapped
     
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    Numbers. IAF plans on meeting sanctioned strength by 2020-25. Su-30mki alone cannot do it. Neither can Rafale. LCA 100% cannot. PAK-FA won't be inducted in large numbers by 2025 maybe 2 squadrons only.

    Downsized?

    It will increased by 63 to 189 which is known for a long time. After IAF gets hands on for a year additional orders may be placed.

    Navy is going to need more than 45 Mig-29K's and Rafale-M which is CATOBAR capable will be ideal for INS Vishal.

    NLCA is a 10 years away from carrier practise landings.

    Rafale negotiation is cleared from both sides only HAL drama is pending.
     
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    I'm not banking LCA against MMRCA , if latest Mig-29's are procured from russia then it is sure a signal that future of MMRCA is grim

    and let the deal by signed first then we can see
     
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    MiG-35 are way better than MiG-29s

    BTW, what ever happened to Rafale
     
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