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Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by gowthamraj, Apr 15, 2010.

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Should India go for Dassault Rafale or not?

  1. Yes -Absolutely.

    67 vote(s)
    57.8%
  2. No - Better to invest that in our Aerospace Industry and opt for AMCA and Tejas Mk. I & II etc.

    49 vote(s)
    42.2%
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  1. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    if that is so why should initial spares & training for india should almost double the flyaway costs ?
     
  2. G777

    G777 Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Whoa!!! Whats with the language here? Everyone get along please I have been having a bad week. Actually dont do it for me do it for yourselves. A world of mistrust is no good. Trust me I have seen how we do things first hand. I have my own flag and house, but I stand by my flag and people whereas others try to destroy it.

    I wouldnt be too surprised if the Typhoons lost. Why? Because we are treating ourselves poorly.
     
  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Because you trusted bad sources. You believe all journalist speculations.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    a few months ago you claimed that source had told you that the cost under MMRCA was around 74 million
     
  5. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    spid the senate commission members dream up the numbers

    and if tht is not reliable

    sheoul alll other claims you & rafale fanboys make here based on that report, be taken with a pinch of salt ?
     
  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    And now I say 73 because €/$ continue to change.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You are stupid read correctly my posts.
     
  8. randomradio

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    Lol. Anybody can make the correction.

    Corrected the above for you as well.
     
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    The Indian CAG itself said it was 85-90Km.
     
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    The K-77M is expected to be introduced in 2016. So it should be in production now.
     
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    Rules will be the same to any and all ranks. RAF spokesman should be named. If he is not authorized to talk to the media, then he wouldn't have said anything, let alone say anything in secret. He is practically digging his own grave.

    In 2011, your Air Marshal said Typhoon is next gen. Your current serving pilots say the MKI and Typhoon are the same generation. So what's changed over the years? All I know is Typhoon is getting all the upgrades while MKI upgrades are still under work.

    Maybe your Air Marshal was the one who was lying then. Maybe the 2011 article itself was a lie.

    Our pilot says the MKI is better than the Typhoon in BVR which makes sense because the MKI has a much bigger radar while being more advanced, even if it is obsolete now.

    It is difficult to quantify because it was a mixed force and no datalink for the MKI. And winning doesn't make sense because there were 6 other Typhoons fighting with the 4 MKIs in one formation. So you can't have a pure MKI vs Typhoon match up here. And hence makes it difficult to quantify it. Would have been different if it was 10 MKI and 10 Typhoons with both groups datalinked.
     
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    After the resounding success of the MKI, the IAF is presenting the MKI as "not enough" when it comes to dogfighting because the MKI currently has inferior EW to the F-16.

    Arming India
    So IAF "needs" at least 7 Rafale squadrons.

    Something about LCA.
    So 7 squadrons of LCA in total. That's 7 Rafale and 7 LCA squadrons.

    And out of 15 Mig-21 and Mig-27 squadrons remaining, the IAF will be phasing out 5 squadrons by the end of the next year.

    I don't know if the article is true or not, but it presents interesting insights on IAF's future. And it also shows that the IAF proclaiming MKI's success in UK is actually detrimental to their purpose of making a case for more Rafales. Hence, whatever was stated about Indradhanush 2015 is bound to be true.

    There is no mention of Super Sukhoi, but the author has this to say in the comments section about the upgrade.
     
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    Dude give it up. This isn't just a forces blog saying you lied anymore it's the Independent. The Independent making stuff up would be like the BBC making something up.

    As regards NDTV, they don't even have a good reputation in India.

    Yeah, or maybe you're incredibly deluded.

    The facts on radar range are readily available:

    N011M - 140km against MiG-29
    Close coupled vs long arm canard | Indian Defence Forum

    Captor - >160km against typical fighter.
    Eurofighter Technology and Performance : Sensors

    If Typhoons shot down more Su-30s than the other way round, then that's probably why the RAF spokesperson said the Typhoon was 'more than a match for the Su-30'.
     
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    Show me where it's been flight tested.

    Russia would be the first country to have AESA on a missile before they have it on an aircraft, do you not even find that strange?
     
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    Sadly the manufacturer doesn't.

    As far as I've seen, India doesn't even have the R-77-1, they only have the R-77 as of yet, which is AIM-120B level range wise.

    Does the Su-30MKI even have DRFM AESA jammers?
     
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