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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

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    India Seeks 57 New Naval Fighter Jets for Carriers

    The Indian Navy has officially issued a request for information (RFI) for a new carrier-based multirole warplane on January 17, according to IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly.

    The Indian Navy intends to procure 57 naval fighter aircraft from a foreign supplier for its burgeoning fleet of aircraft carriers. As with previous defense deals, foreign aircraft makers are expected to assemble part of the new fleet of naval fighter jets in India under Indian Prime Minister’s Modi’s Make in India initiative.

    The RFI lays out in detail the requirements for the new aircraft including “be capable of operations during day and night, and in all weather conditions; and be suitable for shipborne air defense, air-to-surface, ‘buddy-buddy’ aerial refueling, reconnaissance, electronic warfare, and other unspecified roles,” IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly notes. In terms of weapons systems the Indian Navy is looking for an aircraft that can carry four beyond visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAM), two shorter range AAMs and is fitted with a gun. The aircraft should also be capable of carrying strike weapons next to AAMs.

    “Information requested includes whether the aircraft is single- or twin-seat (or available as both), and if it has one or two engines; whether it can perform Short Take-off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) or Catapult Take-off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) operations (or both); whether the aircraft is already in operational use or not; whether helmet-mounted displays and large-area displays are integrated and fitted; is auto-landing an option; and whether or not an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar is fitted.”

    Responses are due by May 24. Delivery of the first aircraft is expected to begin three years following the inking of a contract and completed within three additional years. As I noted in December 2016 (See: “Indian Navy Rules out Tejas Fighter Jet on New Aircraft Carrier”), the Indian Navy will not deploy a naval version of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Light Combat Aircraft Tejas aboard its new class of aircraft carriers.

    The three likely contenders for the contract are Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, a naval version of the Dassault Rafale, and the Russian-made MiG-29K Fulcrum fighter jet. The Indian Navy already has two squadrons of MiG-29Ks stationed at two naval air stations and embarked on the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, a modified Kiev-class aircraft carrier in service since 2013. The Indian Air Force has also purchased 36 off-the-shelf Rafale aircraft in a government-to-government deal in 2016.

    As I explained elsewhere: “Representatives of French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation pitched the naval version of the Dassault Rafale twin-engine, fourth generation multirole fighter to the Indian Navy in early 2016. (The United States has been quietly pushing Lockheed Martin’s F-35c Lightning II and McDonnell Douglas F/A 18 Hornets).” The selection of the aircraft will depend to a certain degree what launch system will be used aboard the new carries currently under construction.

    The INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant, India’s first indigenously built aircraft carrier, are both fitted with so-called ski-jump assisted Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) launch systems for launching aircraft, whereas the second carrier of the new Vikrant-class, the INS Vishal, will likely use a catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft launch system, incorporating the new electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) technology (See: “Confirmed: India’s Next Aircraft Carrier Will Be Nuclear”).

    “[The] STOBAR system imposes limits on the operational range and armament of aircraft operating from the carrier given that ski-jump takeoff and arrested carrier landings necessitate a high thrust-to-weight ratio for successful take-offs and can only be conducted with lightweight aircraft,” I explained elsewhere. The MiG-29K Fulcrum fighter jet is a STOBAR aircraft, whereas the F/A-18 and Rafale fighter jets can be launched with the CATOBAR launch system.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/india-seeks-57-new-naval-fighter-jets-for-carriers/
     
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    Translated from Russian via Google Translate .

    Credits to myself @Ankit Kumar 001 for it .

    Jokes apart ,
    https://m.news.rambler.ru/articles/35944664-mig-29k-protiv-rafale-shvatka-v-nebe-indii/

    MiG-29K against the Rafale: fight in the sky of India


    Indian Navy plan to buy 57 carrier-based fighters. As the portal Indian Defence News, in command of the fleet we have already defined the technical parameters of the desired aircraft, designated as MRCBF.

    According to a document published on the website of state purchases of government proposals for the next competition will be collected over the next four months. The Indian Defence News report also notes that the military abandoned the idea of procurement deck light combat aircraft LCA (Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas), developed in India, and therefore decided to turn to alternative suppliers.
    The Command of the Indian Navy spread the RFI - request for information from potential suppliers that may mean - Navy abandons attempts to get the local version of the deck fighter LCA. It is reported that the aircraft must be able to perform tasks at any time, regardless of weather conditions. Deck aircraft will be used to provide air defense for attacks on ground targets, reconnaissance and other operations.

    In addition, it is emphasized that the customer relies on the ability to build the aircraft under license in India. Potential suppliers must specify how many engines have a particular aircraft, on what system it is to take off and land on an aircraft carrier - CATOBAR (take off with the help of catapult, landing with arresting gear) or STOBAR (off short takeoff using jumping, landing - on the arrester), etc.
    Once potential exporters give response to the request (for four months), "short-list" is made up of the most preferred proposals. At the same time the Indian Navy put forward the following requirement - aircraft deliveries expected to begin within three years from the date of conclusion of the contract, three years set aside for the completion of deliveries.


    What are Russia's chances to win in the new Indian tender?
    - Indian fighter Tejas is - is still "raw" aircraft for the Air Force, and its naval version would require additional tests, - says the researcher of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, the chief editor of the magazine "Arms Export" Andrey Frolov. - And if the Indians land aircraft can not bring to mind the interests of seafarers are clearly not in the top ten priorities of the Armed Forces. I must say that the Indians themselves admit that the Tejas fighter aircraft for them turned out to be too small, insufficient thrust-weight ratio. In addition, single-engine aircraft is not very suitable for carrier-based aircraft. Of course, like many precedents in the history of jet aircraft, but at the moment all the commercially available carrier-based aircraft in the world - the twin-engine. Indians are also well aware that the fighter Tejas needs new engine, which is yet to be developed together with the French, or buy from the Americans, and then adapt it.
    In general, a carrier-based fighter of the local assembly in the best case can be born only seven years later, and even then it is not clear how much. In such a situation, recourse to foreign manufacturers - the inevitable. And whatever the Indians in the terms of reference have not been contacted, the real candidates for the tender can be counted on one hand - this is an American F / A-18E / F Super Hornet (US), French aircraft carrier-based version of the Rafale (France) and the Russian MiG-29K.

    Who in the top three more chances to win in the Indian tender?
    - I think the main battle can turn between the Rafale and the MiG for one simple reason - these aircraft are already in service with the Indian Armed Forces (36 Rafale ordered, but not yet in operation - the first deliveries of the ordered Rafale scheduled only for 2019). A MiG29K is not only a part of the Air Force, and Navy. As of December 2016, the Indian Navy operated 41 carrier-based fighter MiG-29K / KUB, but only by several contract ordered their fleet have 45 of these machines.
    Therefore, it would be logical to take our Indians "korabelki": MiG-29 carrier-based - ready aircraft, which can very quickly get the infrastructure and preparing pilots has already been created for him. However, there is one "but". As is known, the Indians - a kind of people in terms of military purchases, and they can order the Hornet to expand and deepen relations with the Americans. But in general, the main contenders for victory in this tender - we and the French.
    "SP": - At one time there were persistent rumors that the delivery of French fighters to India will be a great help to the French Dassault Aviation of the manufacturer, as Rafale production under threat and can be minimized, if not there will be foreign orders. Some experts say that the victory of the aircraft in January 2012 in the Indian tender rescued from the car removed from production, but New Delhi has ordered only 36 machines instead of 126.
    - I do not agree with this. And without the Indian tender in Dassault Aviation, things were going well, especially after the Egyptian and Qatari contracts. Company guaranteed a minimum load orders up to 2020 (taking into account the rate of production - 10 planes a year). At the end of 2016 the portfolio on the Rafale aircraft orders stood at 110 aircraft, of which 78 - for export customers (including India). In this sense, the Indian contract manufacturer simply strengthened the position in terms of orders.

    However, this factor affects the current Indian tender - ordered aircraft Dassault Aviation will do for a long time, so in the case of the Indians order Marine version will get it any time soon. I remind you that the Indians make plans for the Air Force Rafale crashed at - hand, as they say, do not get along. Indians have demanded that the French rather strict guarantees on reliability, while maneuvering at a price, and the French did not want to be responsible for the aircraft produced by the Indians. As a result, the past, considerably overpaying, decided to take "off the shelf" serial aircraft due to difficult situation of its own fleet. In India, the rapid pace of contraction is combat-ready squadrons against the background of active purchases by Pakistan and China - to the Indians in the coming years will have to write off the MiG-21 and Tejas hopelessly late.

    In general, given the portfolio of orders for Rafale, Dassault Aviation could simply not cope with the load in time, if you suddenly want the Indians French carrier-based fighter.

    "SP": - They can increase power?
    - In 2015, the representatives of Dassault Aviation said that could open a new factory. But even by increasing the rate of production in half, the order book already existing French will do five years. A MiG-29, I repeat, at the plant in Lukhovitsy in a short time can make as much as you want.

    "SP": - From the set of the MiG-29K Indians can not just wing manned aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" ( "Admiral Gorshkov"), but also the first under construction in India aircraft carrier Vikrant. Why do they need another 56 fighters shipborne?
    - The Indians plan to order a third carrier, and quite large. Around this project has "twisted predators," for example, the same French who offer the Indians to build nuclear aircraft carrier on equal footing, have the option of non-nuclear ship. Russia is also ready to offer the servants on the design of an aircraft carrier, but, of course, its foundation or construction - long affair. In the best case, by 2020 the ship's project will be designed and built only a few years.
    In fact, already purchased 29 MiG-Indians will be enough for the acquisition of a second aircraft carrier air wing, but they think of the future and want to buy "for growth" - the third ship. Their logic is clear: the first tender, then - the order and the production of fighter aircraft, training pilots - all of this is quite a long story, and then a third aircraft carrier arrives ...

    "SP": - One of the requirements of the new tender - transfer of technology and the licensed assembly of fighters in India. Russia is ready for this?
    - I think yes. Already, the project on the modernization of the MiG-29 is implemented jointly with the Indians (MiG-29UPG) with Russian assistance and components. In the framework necessary to upgrade 63 aircraft: six in Russia, and the rest - in India. So the Indians have experience deep immersion in the work on the MiG-29, so pass on this plane technology is no problem for us. Another thing is that we can try in the tender offer them the ship's MiG-35, but this is a slightly different story.
    Deputy Director of the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade (TSAMTO) Vladimir Shvarev draws attention to the recent statement by the Minister of Defence of India Manohar Parrikara in which he made it clear that the country plans to increase its annual exports of arms and military equipment almost six times.
    - In my opinion, this is important, so the Indians may require technology transfer and licensing of assembly in their territory. In this sense, Russia's chances to win the tender quite high. In the first place, the Indians have long been licensed in the plant Indian corporation HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd) in the city Karaput produce engines RD-33 for Mig29. Secondly, the purchase of assorted deck fighters - quite expensive because it requires the construction of different infrastructure, different parts and service, changes in the program of training of flight personnel. Therefore, in my opinion, it is very likely that the Indians will choose Russian MiG29K that quite organically fit into their famous program "does in India."



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    PS: I don't support or oppose the views expressed in the above article .

    Shared it , because its the first Russian Opinion piece on this.
     
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    If it satisfies all the conditions and is cheaper than Rafale , then why not .
     
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    It is something I have consistently been saying - rafale is dead at 36, Migs - IN is not at all impressed. What does it leave?
     
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    You are absolutely wrong when you say Rafale is dead at 36.

    252 For IAF.

    Not one less, not one more. Mark my words.
     
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    We shall see. That too, I have been saying. (the we shall see part):blink:
     
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    Of course we will see.

    There's no other option even in comparison with that capability.

    Note : The price for Rafale Aircrafts are ~95 million USD , which India signed for.

    The Australians bought Super Hornets for 120+ million USD per airframe [ Removing the service , training , weapons contract ].

    The SAAB offer as quoted in Swiss Parliament for C/D is 105 million USD per airframe without any other thing.

    There is simply no other alternative If we want an airforce for India beyond 2020.
     
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    Indian Navy launches search to procure 57 carrier-borne fighter jets
    At present, the Navy operates 45 MIG-29K jets, which from time-to-time face serviceability issues. Currently, six planes are compatible for aircraft carrier flying.
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    PTI | New Delhi | Published:January 28, 2017 10:25 pm

    Having rejected indigenously built ‘Tejas’ as too heavy, the Indian Navy has launched a Request for Information to procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carrier. Last month, Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba had said the “present LCA does not meet the carrier capability required by the Navy”. He had said the service would continue to support its development but “at the same time we will seek aircraft elsewhere which can operate on the aircraft carrier”.

    The RFI, dated January 17, says the aircraft are “intended as day-and-night capable, all-weather, multi-role, deck-based combat aircraft which can be used for air defence, air-to-surface operations, buddy refuelling, reconnaissance etc from IN aircraft carriers”. The companies have been asked to respond by May. While it has not been specified whether the Navy wants single-engine or twin-engine multi-role carrier-borne fighters, sources said that given the role mentioned, the aircraft will be a medium-to-heavy, twin-engine one.

    At present, the Navy operates 45 MIG-29K jets, which from time-to-time face serviceability issues. Currently, six planes are compatible for aircraft carrier flying. They are Rafale (Dassault, France), F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K (Russia), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed Martin, US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden). While F-18, Rafale and MIG-29K are twin engine jets, the remaining three have single engine.

    The government also wants to manufacture these planes in India and tender has asked the original equipment manufacturers to respond to it. It also sought to know at what level of Transfer of Technology (ToT) and deep repair expertise the company is willing to share with India. It also asked the vendor to specify critical technologies required and comment on its ability to absorb the aircraft manufacturing technology at the levels of sub vendor/supply chain elements in India through ToT from OEM and its partners.

    As regards the delivery schedule, the first lot of jets have to be delivered in three years after inking of the contract and all the 57 have to be delivered in the next three years.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...rocure-57-carrier-borne-fighter-jets-4496326/
     
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    SH, Sea Gripen and F-35.
     
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