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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You hit the deck of a CATOBAR carrier and you may lose your CATs forever, Do that to a STOBAR, the ship's company will weld the deck together in no time.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Indian Navy wants its only fighter aircraft to toughen up

    The Indian side has taken up the matter with the Russians who have already sent their technical teams to look into the problems and find a solution for it.
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    Navy wants the MiG-29K to be ruggedised for carrying out operations from aircraft carriers.
    The Indian Navy's only fighter aircraft MiG-29K continues to face problems as the maritime force feels that the fighter jet needs to be further ruggedised for carrying out operations from aircraft carriers which is supposed to be its main role.

    "The plane needs to be ruggedised further as very frequently after landings, the settings of the plane change and they have to be re-set," sources in the Navy told Mail Today.

    The Navy operates the MiG-29Ks from its Goa air base as well as the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and after the phasing out of the Sea Harrier planes, it is now the only fighter aircraft left with the Navy.

    The Indian side has taken up the matter with the Russians who have already sent their technical teams to look into the problems and find a solution for it, as the aircraft are still in warranty period.

    "The issue has been taken up with the Russians at the senior level as India and Russia discuss their military ties and issues at multiple forums including the level of the heads of states," the source said.

    ABOUT THE MIG-29K

    Naval fighter aircraft need to be very tough as they virtually crash on the aircraft carrier's deck and have to maintain high speeds to be ready to take off in case they fail to hook to the arrester wire on the warship. The fighter plane, which is operated only by India has faced operational deficiencies for a long time due to defects in engines, airframe and fly-by-wire system leading to very low availability for operations as this was pointed out by the Comptroller and Auditor General (GAG) in its report last year.

    "The MiG-29K, which is a carrier-borne multi-role aircraft and the mainstay of integral fleet air defence, is riddled with problems relating to airframe, RD MK-33 engine and fly-bywire system," the CAG said.

    Serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 15.93 per cent to 37.63 per cent and that of MiG-29KUB ranging from 21.30 per cent to 47.14 per cent. Serviceability refers to the total number aircraft available for operation at a time from the overall capacity. The auditor had also noted that the service life of the aircraft is 6000 hours or 25 years (whichever is earlier) and with issues facing the MiG-29K/KUB, the operational life of the aircraft already delivered would be reduced. India ordered 45 MiG-29K aircraft and equipment worth `10,000 crore in two separate orders - in 2004 and 2010 - from Russia.

    It is the primary combat platform on INS Viramaditya - country's only operational aircraft carrier inducted in 2014. The MiG-29K aircraft are also expected to serve on the homemade aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which is still under construction and not expected to be inducted into service before the year 2023.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...29k-russia-india-military-ties/1/1003125.html
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    This CAG report is old. Numbers are atleast 2 years old.

    Still numbers are nowhere comparable to Rafales or Hornets. IN will never go for a russian aircraft for maritime role.
     
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  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    IN Mig-29K did 1-vs-1 with F-18SH and if the results are anything to go by, we can say that IN may just reject F-18SH forever for being inferior to Mig-29K.
     
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    http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/when-i...he-bay-of-bengal-1725957?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://theprint.in/2017/07/18/ins-...-it-was-chilling-to-see-migs-approaching/amp/
     
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    honestly I don't think I've ever heard of a training exercise where one side willingly admits they got their ass kicked.
     
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    USAF did in Cope India exercises. I had hinted about this yesterday. wait for some more days for the truth to come out. What I wrote may actually come true. IN might completely reject F-18SH based on their performance against Mig-29Ks. IN Migs are better than IAF Mig-29s in every aspect.
     
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    That would be a very interesting decision considering how limited the scope of the exercise was. Basically dogfights as usual.
     
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    Dogfighting ability alone does not force decisions. there are other aspects also. In sea battle, dogfights will be very remote or nil as we rely on stand off launches. It will be suicidal for any fighter to try and attempt breaking the AD Umbrella of ships.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Right, because they did dogfights in limited range and intercepted F18SHs, that were not using it's full capabilities either. :disagree:

    Let's see how that turns out in a BVR combat, when the SH's would simulate their AESA / Aim120D combo, when IN doesn't know where the enemy carrier is, when the SH's are supported by E2 AEW while attacking.

    We know that the Mig is fast an maneuverable in close combat, but carrier operations require more than that. Long range and endurance, the capability to carry a variety of A2A and A2G weapons and modern radar and avionics of course. The Mig lacks in all these fields behind of the SH and the Rafale, which makes it the least capable for force projection. The only advantage it offers is not even the manuverability, but that it's the only fighter that fits to both Indian carriers, without any changes, while the others might need modifications or upgrades.
     
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    Just check out the internal fuel capacity of Mig-29K vs F-18SH and their ranges. Mig-29K RD-33MKM engine SFC 0.77 and GE F414-400 0.84. Now compare the ranges. Also remember that even Vikky has AEW aircraft-Ka-32s.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The SH has more internal and external fuel capacity, especially with the Block 3 on offer now with CFTs and you are not really taking Ka31 AEWs into account when fighting an attacker with a proper fixed wing AEW right?

    Btw, IAFs Migs have the same technical capabilities as IN's Migs, they are only based on a newer airframe, which adds newer engines and more internal fuel. So the claim about superiority of INs Migs is pretty pointless as well.
     

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