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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Even after upgrade, IAF Mig-29s will not be able to match up to the IN Mig-29Ks. Regarding F-18SH AESA+120D combo, It has yet to be materialised while Mig-29K Zhuk-ME+R-27 combo outranges F-18SH in BVR.
     
  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Again, they have the same, radar, avionics, weapons and weapon stations, will be able to do the same roles, are both mid air refuelable..., so there is hardly any difference. The higher thrust of the K comes with higher empty weight as well.

    Not even the Zhuk AE offers high detection ranges compared to western AESAs, but you think the ME can?
    Besides that it doesn't carry R27, but R77 and later Astra, which both can't keep up with US missiles, let alone Meteor on the Rafale.
     
  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I stand corrected, it is R-77. Typo. 120C5 has lesser range than this missile. 120D has yet to enter service.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I hope the new Top Gun movie educates people on BVR combat. Dogfighting is very rare and not that useful anymore.
     
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    New Delhi wants to deepen its collaboration with the French navy in the Indian Ocean
    ANNE BAUER The 10/07 at 06:00

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    Faced with the Chinese expansionism in the Indian Ocean, India counts on the support of the French navy and the industrialists.

    In a flash, the Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, changed the schedule of his European tour to come to dinner on 3 June with the new president, Emmanuel Macron. Among the many partnerships between France and India (fight against global warming, against terrorism, strategic and military partnership), the link between the Indian and French navies was also discussed. Although they have already done a joint exercise (Exercise Varuna), the collaboration is still quite light.However, faced with Chinese expansionism in the Indian Ocean, India, which has long neglected its maritime dimension, is now seeking allies. In 2008, with the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium, she set up a partnership with Australia in 2015, a partnership with Australia, which could deepen her ties with France, a rare maritime power present In the Indian Ocean thanks to the island of Reunion.

    For the forced march of his Chinese neighbor, which militarizes the Spratleys Islands in the South China Sea and leads drum beating its proposed silk sea route, worries New Delhi, attached to free circulation on the seas. The Indian nightmare would be denied access to their exclusive economic zone, which is equivalent to two-thirds of the land mass of the Indian continent. A scenario that takes shape as China sells its submarines to Bangladesh and Pakistan, and that Beijing has just paid direct access to the Indian Ocean by taking control of the port of Gwadar in southern Pakistan. In Djibouti too, China opens a naval military base. And since 2013, India has recorded recurring incursions of Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean near its protégés: the Maldives, Mauritius, Sri Lanka, Seychelles ...

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    India, which has 1,200 islands, 7,500 kilometers of coastline, 500 oil rigs off Bombay, feels itself surrounded. "90% of trade goes through the sea, 80% of our oil too, some straits like Malacca or the Gulf of Aden are vital, so more submarines are needed , " argues Rajiv Lath, MDL's boss. To become a naval power, India has planned to have 24 submarines, a plan that could be revised upwards.

    There are currently 13 conventional submarines, 9 Russian, and 4 German. With the six Scorpene, it will approach its target, but will stay away from its Chinese neighbor, which already owns some sixty submarines and continues to build. India, which has an aircraft carrier of Russian origin with MiG-29s, is also building a new aircraft carrier and already dreams of the third. It has launched a request for proposals from manufacturers of marine fighter jets. Dassault proposes 57 Rafale Marine, while Boeing puts pressure by promising to ally with private group Tata to build its F-18 in India. The competition begins, but France has all its chances, judge one in Paris.


    AB, The Echoes
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    En savoir plus sur https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-s...locean-indien-2101007.php#G3z2gKHuBDZgQVR5.99
     
  7. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    If Boeing is really saying that then they are flat out LYING, there is no way they would set up even assembly facilities in India for just 57 units. DA themselves say they require a commitment of 90 units to set up such facilities in India and this is actually attainable (57 for IN+ 36 more for IAF) but totally out of reach for Boeing (IN won't commit to a tranche greater than 57 from the outset).

    We are still yet to see the contents of the RFI but if it is the case that the IN would want/require local production/assembly then Boeing have no chance from the outset and DA will be the winners by default.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    On the contrary, in the age of VLO and improved EW systems/ECM BVR technologies may become negated and WVR combat become the norm.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That's a contradiction, because as you said yourself, Dassault already stated that a production line requires orders beyond 100 fighters, so even a Rafale M production line, is dependent on more orders and therefore on a much higher budget for MoD!

    Also we know how broad Indian RFI's (sadly) are, to get as many OEMs into the tender and increase competition. Why would IN / GoI then restrict for all tenders this one, to an unrealistic licence production at that low numbers?
    The fact that they kept the RFI broad enough to include the Sea Gripen, although IN requires single engine emergency landing, is telling.
     
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  10. halloweene

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  12. lca-fan

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    Navy Plans to carryout trials of new fighter jets for INS Vikramaditya, INS Vikrant Soon
    Published July 29, 2017 SOURCE: INDIA TODAY

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    Looking to buy 57 fighter aircraft to augment its fleet, the Indian Navy recently invited foreign vendors to carry out trials to see if the planes could operate off the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. French Rafale, Swedish Saab Sea Gripen, Russian MiG-29K and American F-18 are the contenders for the over Rs 75,000 crore mega deal of the maritime force.”The foreign vendors were asked to prove that their aircraft would be able to operate off our Russian-origin aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya,” a senior Navy source told MAIL TODAY. Aircraft manufacturers, including the French Rafale and American F-18, had taken part in the trials and were asked to provide more inputs on their respective plane’s capabilities to be able to take off and land at the Vikramaditya, the sources said. The trials were held at INS Vikramaditya’s home-base in Karwar in Karnataka. The 57 new planes would be used for operations from the INS Vikramaditya and the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) being built at the Cochin Shipyard Limited in Kochi along with the 45 MiG29Ks already imported from Russia.

    DIFFERENCE IN TAKE-OFF SYSTEMS

    There is a huge difference in take off systems on board the aircraft carriers of Russian and Western origin. While the aircraft on Western carriers are launched using a steam-powered catapult while on the Russian platforms, they take off from an angled ski-jump – the launch mechanism on both the Vikramaditya and the underconstruction IAC. The need for buying new super expensive aircraft came up after the Navy rejected the naval version of the indigenous light combat aircraft as it wanted a twin-engine fighter with a stronger airframe and landing gear to operate from a flight deck with high-tempo flying cycles. As per the requirement projected by the Navy, it wants to manufacture these planes in India as the Request for Information had asked the original equipment manufacturers to respond to it. It also sought to know at what level of Transfer of Technology (ToT) and deep repair expertise the company is willing to share with India. It also asked the vendor to specify critical technologies required and comment on its ability to absorb the aircraft manufacturing technology at the levels of sub vendor/supply chain elements in India through ToT from OEM and its partners.

    DELIVERY

    As regards the delivery schedule, the first lot of jets have to be delivered in three years after inking of the contract and all the 57 have to be delivered in the next three years. The existing fleet of the MiG-29K planes has been creating a number of problems for the maritime force as they are not yet ruggedised enough for aircraft carrier operations as was reported by MAIL TODAY recently. The planes have also been facing engine problems and the Navy had taken up the issue with Russia whose engineers and technicians are working to address the issues as the planes are still in warranty period. With two aircraft carriers and over five squadrons of maritime strike aircraft, the Indian Navy would be emerging as a very strong force to reckon with.

    http://idrw.org/navy-carries-to-car...for-ins-vikramaditya-ins-vikrant/#more-142908 .
     
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  13. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Wondering how sea gripen and FA 18 EF Block Iiii could test anything as thé do not exist? Weird article....
     
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  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The Sea Gripen ok, but there wouldn't be any problem to test the F18SH, Rafale M, since they won't have big changes that would effect the take off capabilities. But I am doubtful about the article too, since only India Today reported it, while others just used that as the reference.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    But isn't Boeing offering the ASH which technically doesn't exist.
     

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