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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well technically a Rafale F3R doesn't exist either, but both have no meaning for the take off trials, since none of the upgrades will change much for the take off capability.
     
  2. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Well the F3R is actually on order, no one has ordered the ASH as of yet so there is a big difference there secondly won't the ASH features add substantial weight to the SH?
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Hehe and how does the order of the F3R effect take off trials? Come on mate, you don't have to artificially make up problems here. There is no doubt that the Rafale will have it easier to pass that specific trial than the F18SH, because it's about thrust and not any other upgrades or externs specs. So all the OEMs has to show here, is that the fighters can take off via ski-jump, in a certain runway, with a certain weight.

    Secondly, USN has cleared the development of the advanced version and the only changes that have relevance for IN, are CFTs, touchscreen display and if at all the IRST in the centerline tank. None of that adds much weight, maybe the drag reduction compared to using 3 external fuel tanks even helps, who knows? Other than that there are no major changes.
     
  4. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Enclosed weapon pods and the centreline IRST will add drag (and weight) to the ASH.

    As an aside, the Rafale has an advantadge over the F-18 in terms of lift also because of its canards.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The weapon pod is not part of the USN Block 3, since they want to use the external load advantage of the SH in combination with the stealth advantage of the F35. IRST as said is integrated in the centerline fuel tank.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Why are we talking about USN's BLK.3? What Boeing is offering to India is the full ASH.
     
  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Because you are confusing the Block 3 upgrade with the F18 SH Roadmap. The one is the contracted upgrade similar to the F3R for Rafale, the other similar to possible upgrades on customer demand, like HMS, IRST, additional weapons or weapon stations that France didn't wanted.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Right and what is Boeing offering to India? It's the full blown ASH not the Block 3 and that's why we should be comparing the F-18 ASH and Rafale F3R not the F-18 Block 3.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Says who? The roadmap is just a proposal to any possible export customer, not the offer in a official tender. Remember the offer in MMRCA, didn't included the EPE engine either, Boeing just said, if more power is needed, India could get it.
    So any OEM offers what is already contracted by the main customer + gives IN options for further upgrades, just as Dassault has to offer the F3R as the base, but folding wings as an option!
     
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  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    No: Dassault proposal is said to fit to current and future Indian Carrier without option.
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yeah it is "said" to fit, just as Boeing "says" the F18 can take off from STOBAR carriers, but we will see about that.
     
  12. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I have no doubt about F-18 able to take off from STOBAR.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/08/04/indian-navy-wants-russian-mig-29k-jets-to-be-ruggedized/
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://www.dealstreetasia.com/stories/boeing-eyes-india-tie-ups-drones-digital-technology-79860/
     

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