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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    So are you now suggesting to park them behind each other because they are shorter, while the problem is to fit them next to each other in the hangar, let alone the deck?

    Again, the only solution to make Rafale suitable, are folding wings. There is no going around it, with half backed fixes. The Mig is still the benchmark here for size and numbers of fighters and IN can't afford to use even less fighters on their already small carriers.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The number of aircraft in hangar reduce by half for Rafale-M.
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Can you give an estimate for the same in IAC1?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    IAC- hanger width is such that you can put three Mig-29Ks side by side with wings folded. Another row of them can be put opposite the lifts. The wing span with wings folded is 7.2m for Mig-29K. Now imagine 10.3m Rafale-M being stacked in same width? you will be able to put only two side by side. Plus lesser number opposite the lifts.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The Super Etendard is a smaller aircraft than the Mig 29 and has folding wings, yet by passing to the "all Rafale" on the Charle de Gaulle, it is expected to increase the maximum number of aircraft on board. How is that possible? First the delta wings do not have only disadvantages for storage:

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    Then the concept of maintenance is different, it is continuous maintenance with diagnostic aids ". The new aircraft is equipped with an intelligent system that detects breakdowns, including minor events that the pilot did not know during his mission. When the aircraft is back on the Charles de Gaulle, these data are analyzed and the technicians, who have at their disposal the Mermoz bench (to test the electronic systems of the Rafale) know precisely the state and the potential of all systems and interventions to perform. As a result, "the troubleshooting is much faster". And when you change an engine on Rafale you don't need an test bench which save space: it's only an example what matter is the global logistic footprint which is very low for Rafale.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Because it's a different carrier with a different hangar, lift and deck layout. So all that has nothing to do with the IN situation and even less with your length example. :rolleyes2:
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...s-building-f-a-18-fighter-117111700015_1.html
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    SH won't meet minimum requirements, it is incapable of it.
     
  9. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Advanced Shornet is better than Rafale in several key aspects. So why not?
     
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    Not really, since both Rafale-M and SH will meet minimum requirements, BUT subject to penalties in both payload as well as loadouts as well as issues with deck/hangar space. The trials will confirm which of these two jets will be capable of operating with the least amount of penalties.


    ASH is not being offered, but the "Block III" Super Hornet, which doesn’t include the stealth enhancements of Boeing’s Advanced Super Hornet concept, nor does it include thenew engine being worked on by GE.
     
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    Trump is only there for three more years, or seven at most. Just let Indian time do its magic. :achmed:

    How so? By having more drag, more weight, less payload, shorter legs, less missile range, weaker radar, and bigger RCS?
     
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    Advanced SH no longer exists. What they have is a crappy Block 3. The Block 3 is a relatively simple aircraft, similar to the F-16 Block 70.

    Admiral Arun Prakash said the SH Block 2 is a generation behind the Rafale. So even with bit more advanced avionics with Block 3, it still falls behind in terms of performance. The Rafale can keep up with a F-22 in a dog fight, so it has first class performance. SH falls behind the Rafale in speed, acceleration, turn rates, climb rates etc, there's no comparison there. I think the only parameter the SH can beat the Rafale in is endurance, only because it will come with very large CFTs, which the Rafale current lacks in production models but can be made available if necessary.

    I don't need to explain that the Rafale has better payload than the SH. The only thing interesting on the SH is the weapons pod, but that's it.

    As for avionics, the Rafale is way too ahead. The SH may be able to match the F3R in some ways, but the F4, I don't think so. Even the F-22 and F-35 will not match the Rafale F4's avionics.

    Lastly, the Rafale is cheaper than the SH. So I don't see why IN will buy an inferior aircraft while paying more.
     
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    I don't know why But. French are always fighting with USF force and never against them in any major exercise. are they afraid of their machines?
     
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  14. The enlightened

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    Better T-W ratio, equal payload for realistic missions, longer legs, more missiles integrated, greater list of ground weapons integrated, better radar, equal RCS with external weapons, IRST pods, EW version, secure multi-directional datalink, cheaper infrastructure, opening up relations with Uncle Sam, creating opportunity for EMALS and E-2D.
     
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    Only one reason. The USAF has yet to allow such exercises. Right now they only allow NATO to operate with the F-22, not against the F-22.
     

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