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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    How did Typhoon operate against F-35 and F-22 and Rafale yet again was with f-22s/35s?
     
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    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How much did we pay for Rafale customization again?
    Yes you do.
    Source for Adm.?
    Growler killed an F-22 once.
    I'm sure Americans make better avionics then French.
    Rafale is very costly. $100 mn flyaway. SH will cost only $70mn + 3/5% FMS commision flyaway. SH weapons are much cheaper than Rafale. SH bases are surely cheaper than $1 billion each. SH MLU wouldn't cost us a bomb. Further HAL built SH is supposed to be cheaper and will see some usable ToT versus recycled offsets for aviation nobody DRAL, who will never make a single original screw even if it got genuine ToT for screws. We will get actual ToT for GE-414 and versions for use in LCA. Versus zip for M-88.

    So there you go.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Boeing offsets for P8I, including F18 parts.
     
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    Irrelevant because we will have to pay a lot to do the same customizations on the SH Block 3, whereas the ASH doesn't even exist, so no point customizing something that doesn't exist.

    Rafale - 9.5T
    Sh - 8T

    No time to dig out old MMRCA stuff.

    The fact that Rafale was shortlisted while SH wasn't during MMRCA is good enough.

    So? T-38s have also killed F-22s.

    Sadly, no.

    SH is way too expensive.

    Nothing HAL builds is cheaper, you don't know how HAL functions. A MKI costs $70M while the same thing costs $40M in Russia.

    As for M88, Safran was gonna transfer 100% of its production to HAL during MMRCA.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    And what he doesn't understand is, that the more impressive (simulated) kill, would had been the one of the Growler, since that's still the only reported BVR kill of an F22!
    Comparing dogfighting skills against a stealth fighter is pretty pointless, unless you have a stealth fighter too, that can get into WVR without being detected. More over, neither PLAN nor PAF field F22s AFAIK, so the whole discussion makes no sense anyway.

    IN needs fighters to counter J15, JF17, F16 and P3 Orions, just as to strike shore bases or a carrier group. But most importantly, they need fighters that fits to the carriers and the ski-jump take off.
    No matter how much more capable a Rafale is, it doesn't matter if it doesn't fit to the carriers, or reduce the number of aircrafts on the carrier. Just as the F18 needs to prove to take off with useful loads.
     
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    what are these key aspects?
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    And don't you think it's USAF that doesn't want to loose face against french planes/pilots ?
     
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    You had already paid. Astra and SPICE will be integrated, and I'm sure indian ingeneers are implicated in, so as to learn how to do that for next weapons.
     
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    what happened in red Flag 2007/ why were you shying away from combat?
     
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    On wikipedia, maybe.
     
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    ? Do you have some news?
     
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    https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...mid-2018-indian-navy/articleshow/61884897.cms
     

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