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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. lca-fan

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    Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar while speaking to media has confirmed that Navy rejected LCA Navy so that it can go for Twin engined fighter jet. Parrikar has hinted that Twin-engine reliability and better safety aspects for Aircraft carrier operations might have been largely contributed to their change of stand on LCA Navy. LCA Navy will continue to be developed has a technological demonstrator, while Rafale and F-18 now seem to have emerged has serious contenders, while Saabs offer of Sea Gripen is more or less rejected. Request for Information (RFI) issued by Indian Navy for 57 Next Generation carrier-borne fighter jet had raised few eyebrows since it had not defined clearly if it wants a single engine or twin-engined carrier-borne aircraft for its fleet . Defence analyst Ranesh Rajan speaking to idrw.org thinks that engine requirement part might have been deliberately kept out so that Lockheed Martins can be given a chance to offer its 5th Generation Stealth F-35 Carrier operatable jet to Indian Navy. Boeing India already has confirmed that its F-18 can be modified to be used from Indian Aircraft carriers which use Short Takeoff But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) methods for carrier jet operations, while Dassault is yet to confirm if Rafale Combat jet can operate in STOBAR configurations, also Lockheed is yet to confirm if it will respond to RFI issued by Indian Navy , but Lockheed Martin a few years back already had briefed Indian Navy on F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variant, and the F-35C carrier variant (CV). Indian Navy also has shown interest in Countries 5th Generation Stealth AMCA combat jet and Navy and ADA likely will work jointly in its development but AMCA is still at the intial stage and will emerge only after 2030.


    So with this news , Rafales are now basically confirmed.

    Last time we ordered Rafales :rafale:, we got back some major goddie bags including a JV for Kaveri engine. That was for 36 planes. What will we get for 57 planes now???
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  5. Agent_47

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    EXCLUSIVE: Indian Twin Engine Fighter Bid After ‘Strategic Partnership’ Policy

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    If the doomed six-way M-MRCA contest was fierce, expect a great deal of blood in the next two jet fighter competitions: a Make in India single engine fighter face-off between Saab’s Gripen E & LockheedMartin’s F-16 Block 70 and the Indian Navy’s future carrier fighter contest, that, like the former, has narrowed down to a straight two-horse race (the Indian defence minister made it clear yesterday that the navy was only interested in twin-engine platforms) with the only two operational aircraft of their kind: Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and the Rafale M.

    While Saab and LockheedMartin get set for a serious battle to build their jets in India, it is the latter, the naval fighter contest, that has the capacity to dictate what could be India’s largest ever fighter acquisition — dwarfing the M-MRCA at every conceivable level. It isn’t difficult to fathom the power that resides in the Indian Navy’s decision, but Livefist understands that it is this acquisition that provides the only solid guidance on which the Indian Air Force could choose its next twin-engine jet too. We break down the state of play.

    First off, both Boeing and Dassault have four months left to respond to the Indian Navy’s request for information. The RFI published by the navy recently was unusually long and with more questions than it has ever asked before on a preliminary enquiry. ‘This is an RFI that you could call a mini-RFP in many ways,’ quips a Dassault Aviation executive. ‘It’s very detailed. The Indian Navy knows what they want.’

    Livefist can confirm that both companies have been formally informed that the requirement for a twin-engine Make in India fighter will be floated once the Indian MoD finalises and announces its strategic partnership policy (Minister Parrikar yesterday suggested there was only ‘5% work left’). Both companies also concur that the deal will be to supple well over 150 jets to the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy, and a focus to export to the global market. It is the option to build for the Indian Navy too (57 fighters) that gives Boeing and Dassault near exclusive rights to the competition, and could guide how it plays out if the project really gets off the ground (and now, most bets are off until it actually happens).

    Dassault starts with an immediate type advantage with its 36 jet deal with the Indian Air Force. Boeing recognises the advantage, but isn’t overly concerned. Top executives said they had a five-way backhand to the perceived Rafale type advantage: One, that the US and France have very different cost structures (implying Boeing could have a much more competitive deal). Two, that 36 isn’t a large number and that the Rafale could be given a specialised strategic role. Three, and this is significant, the fact that the Super Hornet exists in only one type for both navies and air forces, and therefore offers its own degree of commonality if chosen by the Indian Air Force as well as the Indian Navy. ‘The Rafale M is slightly different from the air force Rafale variants. The Super Hornet is exactly the same jet for both operators,’ a Boeing executive tells Livefist. Four, and this has been reported before, Boeing says it will be replying to the Indian Navy’s RFI mentioning that it has done some simulation modelling and is close to proving that the Super Hornet is fully capable of STOBAR operations off a ski-jump. (Note, Boeing said the same during the M-MRCA when the Indian Navy was evaluating the MiG-29K — it said Super Hornets could operate off the Vikramaditya’s angled deck). Finally, five, Boeing flashes President Donald Trump’s interest in the F/A-18 — and solid future customers — as proof that the Super Hornet is far from being a sunset fighter. They hope the Advanced Super Hornet programme only underscores that future intent.

    But let’s be clear. Dassault won’t be a spring chicken in this fight, and are more than aware of the stakes. They’ve managed to more than wet their beaks with the 36 jet deal, but are very hungry for what the kind of deal they didn’t manage to close. The lessons they learnt on cost competitiveness will be back as they face off against the American giant. Dassault’s CEO Eric Trapper is visiting the Aero India show this year. Senior executives on his team say the 36 jet deal provides Dassault with a solid foot in the door that should ideally guide the two big decisions on the twin engine Make in India deal as well as the Indian Navy’s future fighter contract. ‘You have reserved one type, and it is a formidable multirole jet. Why would you want to look at another? Doesn’t the Indian Air Force have enough inventory problems?,’ says a Dassault executive, with only a touch of irony (the M-MMRCA was the result of the twin decisions of the Indian Air Force declining to simply purchase more Mirage 2000s, and Dassault’s decision to replace its Mirage 2000 bid with the Rafale). Dassault envisions a fleet over over 200 Rafales in operation in India — 57 with the Indian Navy and the rest with the Indian Air Force, all of them built in India. But Dassault is clear — there’s no ‘Make in India’, if it can’t build at least 200 jets here.

    Both Boeing and Dassault can be expected to pull out even more stops to see their type chosen by the Indian Navy, given that is there that the limits really come into play, forcibly narrowing the field on the IAF’s prospective twin engine requirement.

    What about the Eurofighter Typhoon and MiG-35? Do they have a finger in this at all? Unlikely. The Typhoon’s defeat in the ultimately abortive M-MRCA has meant they’ve found it near impossible to make a credible comeback. The Typhoon’s lack of a naval variant (other than a very preliminary concept) pushes it well off the table should the air force-navy contracting become truly a united effort. The MiG-35, interestingly, has made a visible comeback at the Aero India show this year, but has been merely watching from the sidelines. The MiG-35 for the IAF twin engine line and MiG-29Ks for the Indian Navy is possible in theory, but given the Indian Navy’s insistence on looking out for new fighters, theory is likely where those jets will remain in India.

    http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...ngine-jet-bid-after-strat-partner-policy.html
     
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    Blatant lie.. MII requirements for orders was never said 200
    It was Boeing at 200, Saab also 200 and LM at 160 jets and only Dasaault said at 90. It is then only all folks started talking about 90 and now scaling it back to 200 and yet DA never uttered the 200 jets requirement in public as minimum for MII plan..

    Livefist should grow up.. it's fine running a PR campaign and always talking in favour of your paymaster, but blindly saying DA said that is malicious as well as utterly disgusting coming from a senior journalist.

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    The game has just begun. There will be many more such BS articles in the press. remember that Indian media was very recently rated the second worst and unreliable media in the world.
     
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    Who was the first?
     
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    According to the reports....
    The Navy wants a Twin Engined Fighter for its Carrier operations....

    Does that seal the fate of the Naval Mk.2 !?

    According to senior members...The Naval Mk. 1 was always going to be just a TD....And the Navy was really interested in the Naval Mk. 2


    But Given the fact that the Mk 2 is a SE plane...Will it be even considered...!?

    PS : The Naval Mk2 or even the Mk2 is yet to fly....It was never going to be ready in time for the IAC - 1....

    Does the IN have concrete plans for IAC - 2 !?
    If yes...The IAC 2 will be in service in 2030-2035 period....Won't there be a N-AMCA by that time....!?


    I saw the Navy as the sole supporter of the Mk2....But now....
    Will the AF support the Mk2....Given Thier consideration for SELWF like GRIPEN...And F-16....

    Members.... What does this mean for the Mk2 !?
     
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    Bhai ye suspense hi to Maja hai. Ignorance is bliss.:cheesy:
     
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    I won't blame this on media. He shouldn't have mentioned number 200. It gives a bad impression.
     
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    If Livefist is unreliable, is there any defense journalist on Twitter who is reliable and credible that I can follow for latest news on these types of things?
     
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    Indian defence reporting are all the same.. you will in probability get basic news and have to filter out rest of the agenda..

    Tbh we can't blame them as well.. the sponsorship is pretty huge from the marketing team of major companies..
     
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