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Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    INS Vikramaditya front lift

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    Couldn't find official specs of the lift, so for comparison:

    Ka 31
    Width: 3.5m
    Length: 11.2m

    Mig 29K
    Wingspan / folded: 11.4m / 7.8m
    Length: 17.3m

    F18SH
    Wingspan / folded: 13.6m / 9.3m
    Length: 18.3m

    Rafael M
    Wingspan: 10.8m
    Length: 15.2m


    The rear lift doesn't seem to be able to be used for fighters

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    Could be difficult for the F18SH, the Rafale certainly will be too wide for the lifts.
     
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  2. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It's better than I thought. In the picture of the Mig 29 the folded part of the wing is 4.5 cm on my screen and the distance from the edge of the elevator (at the same level) is 4 cm on one side and 4.5 cm on the other. This means that the Mig 29 could almost use the lift wings deployed, so the F-18 and Rafale should pass.....Without MICA for the Rafale :cheesy:
     
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  3. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Don't know how you get to that conclusion, but the lift is nowhere near the 10.8m wingspan of a Rafale M. It looks more like the specs @randomradio had given in the LSA thread

    So unless the lack of MICA somehow cuts roughly 1m aways, it doesn't work, especially not from the hangar to the lift. besides that it's not a practical solution to take off the missiles every time the fighter needs to be put in the hangar.
     
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  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    This is the rear lift. You can figure that out because there is no superstructure on the left, and you can see the parking line across it, the red lines.
     
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  5. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    On the image the lift seems to be 11.20m instead of 10 m!
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The lifts on Vikky are 18.91x8.65 and 18.91x9.96m. The lifts on IAC-1 are 14x10m.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    This is Good

    Still, for Q2 , a Visual Aid or Drawing would aid many of us (or just me) comparing the size of each Frame vs the Elevators on Vikky and IAC1

    Thanks
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    True missed that.

    Which again would make Rafale without folding wings unsuitable.
    If that's the case, only Mig 29K, F18SH and hypothetically the F35 would be choices for IN.

    Frames can be tricky, because of the angle of the pics, which can change the results from the real dimensions, so we have to take what's available to us. Sadly, I couldn't find any IN official talking about this in an interview.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Fare Enough!

    What about the Lifts on the Charles de Gaulle??

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    What is the Dimensions of this ? is this larger than the IAC1?
     
  10. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    24*10 (internet value...). Weirdo because they can lift two planes simultaneously (aka 2 planes every 2 mins can be sent to deck). Remember they have to lift E2C
     
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  11. Bregs

    Bregs 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    well bro in future upgrades can MIG 29K be fitted with AESA radar ?

    @Sancho
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Yes, many of the Mig 35 upgrades, can be included in the 29K as well. Although I still prefer it with own AESA and K/S engine, to be more independent from Russia.
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Very recent interview of both candidates in Air&Cosmos. Both want to quickly launch studies for a new carrier. Could be win/win with india, as suggested few months ago by DGA chief.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    IAC 1?

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  15. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Anything other a larger IAC1 design with catapults would not make sense anymore for India. We already have gained know how and experience, evidently have the capability to build such ships at home, all we need is the catapult technology and possibly a nuclear propulsion (although that needs to be seen). The earlier is not available from France and the latter was not that reliable at the beginning either on CDG.

    Not much win win there anymore
     

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