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Muslims in Western Nations

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by santosh, Mar 31, 2014.

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  1. rocky.idf

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    All Muslims feel for fellow Muslims. Bangladeshis see China as a true friend. Sino-BD friendship is geostrategically vital for our national security.
     
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    i do appreciate you to trust your friend, which doesn't trust 'any' citizen of "Kashgar", a bordering city to Pakistan, as Bangladesh was also East Pakistan till 1971, a Muslim country.

    and its not just Pakistan or Bangladesh, we find China has the most peaceful border with India only. and yes, religion is the major issue in world at present. and China looking going for a 'decisive' action against its main religious rival, as per this report of BBC of my last 2 posts :coffee:
     
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    Pakistan and Bangladesh "as a State" Vs a Source of Export of Islamic Fanaticism

    Pakistan always stands between two aspects, first as a State for its own people only, and the second and the most powerful aspect is the religion, fighting for Islam in world. similarly we always find Bangladesh start exporting Islamic Fanatic people to promote Islam. a difference between China, which reduce population, and Pakistan+Bangladesh, which have increased their population from 34million and 36million in 1947 respectively, to over 180million and 170million respectively at present.....

    and then even a friendly country like China struggle with his friends, Pakistan+Bangladesh. whether they would speak to a 'state' of Pakistan, or would be worried with a country which has become a center of export of Islamic terrorism. and the consequences China facing on its bordering state of Xinjiang.....

    similar things we find about US and UK too, whenever they keep any sympathy for the immigrants of Pakistan+Bangladesh, these communities suddenly become a source of increase of Muslim population in Britain, heavily dependent on Social Security because of big families this way, along with increase in Islamic Fanaticism in UK too this way....
    and this is how the Western countries struggle with immigrants of India, China as compare to Pakistan+Bangladesh. your support for Pakistan+Bangladesh suddenly brings you on the side of supporting rise of Islamic Fanaticism within UK/US. while Indian-Chinese with low population but are rising because of higher competency as compare to the locals in western nations.....
    (here, if i say that population of Pakistani+Bangladeshi Muslims combined, would be higher than the population of Indians+Chinese combined in Britain/UK, people here would laugh but its a truth on the ground level, check. china and India, the two largest population countries.....)

    => to clear this topic more, have you ever heard India as a center of exporting Hindu Terrorism to China, while it share such a long border with China? i hope none in world might have made this joke before, even if India and China have fought wars in past, and are open rivals. neither you would have heard that Russia exporting Orthodox Christian terrorism to China, even if they too have fought wars with each others in 50s and 60s. but whenever you hear any bomb blast in Xinjiang state of China, you would find the source of its support came from the terror groups based in Pakistan. even if Pakistan is one of the closest ally of China, one of China's best friend "as a state of Pakistan", sharing very small border with China with this state only :facepalm:
     
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    Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region

    XUAR (Xinxiang Uighur Autonomous Region), or East Turkistan, is a territory in western China that accounts for one-sixth of China's land and is home to about twenty million people from thirteen major ethnic groups, the largest of which (more than eight million) is the Uighurs [PRON: WEE-gurs], a predominantly Muslim community with ties to Central Asia. The Uyghur American Association (UAA) says that East Turkistan is a part of Central Asia, not of China. Some Uighurs call China's presence in Xinjiang a form of imperialism, and there have been movements for independence since the1990s through separatist groups like the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), inflamed in part by large migrations of Han Chinese to the region.

    In February 2012, at least a dozen people died after being attacked on the street by Muslims armed with knives near Kashgar, the western part of Xinxiang located near China's border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. After the Chinese government said the men involved had links to terrorists in Pakistan, a Chinese woman was also killed in Pakistan in what was considered a retaliatory attack. China claims the rioters were trained in Pakistan and has asked Pakistan to take "credible measures" to safeguard its citizens. XUAR shares borders with five Muslim countries--Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan--which seems to be a Chinese concern. The China-Pakistan relationship in particular has been strained by the recent killings, and questions about China's traditional friendship with Pakistan are rising.

    Terrorism and Counterterrorism

    During the 1990s, Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang began frequent attacks against the Chinese government. The most famous of these groups was the ETIM, labeled as a terrorist organization by China, the United States, and the UN Security Council. China claims the group has links to al-Qaeda and says that they were trained in jihadi terror camps in Pakistan to launch attacks in Urumqi. :tsk: Reports say Pakistani officials have also admitted that the militants in western China have ties to the Pakistani Taliban and other militants in northwestern Pakistani regions along the Afghan border. Pakistan, a close ally, has assured China of full support to contain terrorism in China. Concern about Uighur terrorism flared in August 2008--just days before the Beijing Olympics--when two men attacked a military police unit (NYT) in Xinjiang, killing sixteen.

    The Chinese government has taken steps to combat both separatists and terrorists in its western province and monitors religious activity in the region to keep religious leaders from spreading separatist views. Since September 11, 2001, China has raised international awareness of Uighur-related terrorism and linked its actions to the Bush administration's so-called war on terror.

    But many experts say China exaggerates the danger posed by Uighur terrorists. While China has accused the Uighurs of plotting thousands of attacks, Andrew J. Nathan, a China expert at Columbia University, says, "You have to be very suspicious of those numbers."

    Some experts, including Bequelin, say China's anti-separatist campaign provokes resentment, which can lead to more terrorism. But others say China's counterterrorism measures have been somewhat successful. A review of U.S. State Department documents shows a decrease in Uighur-related terrorism since the end of the 1990s. ETIM, classified as a terrorist organization during the Bush administration, is not listed as Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) anymore in the list updated in January 2012.

    A 2010 report from the Congressional Research Service examines U.S.-China cooperation on counterterrorism, noting that tensions remain over handling Uighurs. The United States refused to hand over five Uighurs who had been captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in 2001, despite Chinese calls to do so. After their release from Guantanamo Bay in May 2006, the Uighurs were instead transferred to Albania. In June 2009, four Uighurs who had been detained at Guantanamo were resettled in Bermuda.

    Thirteen other Uighur detainees, said to be resettled in Palau, have not yet been resettled or returned to China. Though a U.S. district court ordered their release, the ruling was overturned by a U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled that the district court "did not have the power to override immigration laws and force the executive branch to release foreigners into the United States." The issue is further complicated as the Congress passed legislation to prevent the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo to the United States.

    Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations
     
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    1.The fundamental error in this report is to assume that Islam is a"religion". It is not. Islam is a continuous reforming revolution where Allah SWT has sent down teachers/reformers throughout ages in all societies to reform people into right path.

    2. There is nothing to export in Islam.We have a book which we follow.Full stop.
     
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    i think you would like the news as below :coffee:


    => Everyone is born Muslim: Asaduddin Owaisi's remark sparks row

    The ongoing controversy over religious conversion was fuelled by Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen chief Asaduddin Owaisi on Monday.

    “Islam is the 'real home' of all religions in the world and hence the real 'home coming' will be when people of other religions embrace it,” he said. “All are born as Muslim and are later converted to other religions.

    Politicians from across parties condemned Owaisi. Nationalist Congress Party leader Majid Memon said that Owaisi is making such statements for vote bank and should refrain from the same.

    Janata Dal-United leader Ali Anwar said that such statements by 'communal forces' harm the nation as a whole. Communist Party of India’s Atul Anjan said that people who believe in democracy and such ideologies should not pay heed to communal remarks by Owaisi and others.

    Owaisi represents the constituency of Hyderabad in the Lok Sabha.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been under attacking for failing to act against affiliates of the Bharatiya Janata Party for promoting Hindu-dominant agenda.

    Everyone is born Muslim: Asaduddin Owaisi's remark sparks row - Rediff.com India News
     
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    double post
     
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    as in my post#114, it would be really interesting to see how China go ahead with its "decisive action" against 'triple evils' its receiving from its border with Pakistan.

    and as discussed in my last post#123, Pakistan as a State has very little control over Islamic Fanaticism. isn't it the same "Islamic Democracy", why minority Hindu, Christian, Sikh, etc are almost gone from there, while now they have targeted Shia and Ahmadis sections of Islam?

    its simple that majority Muslims crushing minorities everywhere, by over 50% votes in their election for this purpose, mainly in Pakistan+Bangladesh. and now China is facing this import of Islamic extremism from that State of Pakistan, which simply can't control its export oriented Islamic Fanaticism :ranger:
     
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    Bangladesh simply needs to have One Child Policy, or shift its Muslim population to other Muslim nations, or to US/UK itself

    there is no meaning of having as much population, which can't be fed by the limited resources a certain country has.. specially in case of a highly Sunni Fanaticism Muslim population country like Bangladesh.

    its worse to see people dying without dignity, than to just reduce or kill the over population. either Bangladesh will learn it by its own, or the Nature will teach them.

    and here India need to defend itself from this "existential threat" coming from Bangladesh :india:
     
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    Thank you v much for your advice which maybe used by yourselves more. For your kind info, we are a foodgrain exporter.For instance, this season we have exported rice to SL. A shipment to food-starved India is also on the way.
     
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    Inviting Cats/Dogs Culture to India

    I personally favor excess population of Bangladesh to be shifted to US/UK/Australia/Canada etc.

    its worse to see "Growing Generation of Casual Sex", kids taking birth without father, and growing on the tax money of professional migrants. and hence increase in drugs/high crime rates there, as a result......
    we won't favor kids taking birth in India, as a consequence of inviting Western culture, similar to cats/dogs taking birth on the roads, without any dignity....

    Bangladeshis would definitely input some family values in the Western society :coffee:


     
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    as now we finding people of Pakistan and Bangladesh more willing to visit India, the news like as below would also have a place here, i think :facepalm:
     
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    Its going to happen, people are going to die. In the scheme of thing Muslims are going to suffer much more, America loses a few thousand to terrorist over the years, people die in war and in the mean time we kill, maim, and decimate the economy and cultures of Islamic countries. While a few americans suffer, tens of million of Moslems will suffer much more, proverty, lack of education, economy, health care, lack of freedom, if they escalate to mass destruction we escalate to MAD total war and extermination. Remembe Hiroshima and Nagasakir

    O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
    That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
    Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
    That ever lived in the tide of times.
    Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
    Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,--
    Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
    To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
    A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
    Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
    Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
    Blood and destruction shall be so in use
    And dreadful objects so familiar
    That mothers shall but smile when they behold
    Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
    All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
    And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
    With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
    Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
    Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
    That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
    With carrion men, groaning for burial. (3.1.254-275)
    William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar:
     
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    the deaths are unfortunate but in the long term what will extract the greatest toll in suffering of human life and dignity is the cripplingly restrictive influence of islamic theocracy on human rights, equal opportunity, art, philosophy, economic competition, scientific development, industrial productivity.

    there is no such thing as personal faith separated with political ideology in Islam, because specific teachings have specific consequences, and because faith is hereditary all parents tend to raise their children as adherents of their own faith.

    unless you can get rid of parts of the texts that conflict with secular international law or raise children as irreligious and let them choose when they are adults. In that case maybe it will be possible to reconcile Islamic religious text with requirements of a self-sustaining modern society.

    Turkey is an excellent example of a 1st world muslim nation with a complex economy, but it is tellingly not Islamic, just muslim. People love to live and work in Turkey even without oil wealth because even if they are muslims, the government is governed with a priority on modern principles of good governance and not religious texts.

    This will last so long as one generation doesn't revert to what is most familiar, and decide to embrace a greater roll of theocracy in government. Unsurprisingly been an ever present threat in Turkey, and the military has had to overthrow the government multiple times.
     
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    i would support your this statement, the simple meaning of Muslim community, "proverty, lack of education, economy, health care, lack of freedom, if they escalate to mass destruction we escalate to MAD total war and extermination. " :facepalm:

    :tsk:
     
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