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National Security Guard (NSG): News, Discussions & Pictures

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  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    @Gessler @PARIKRAMA along the lines of what we have been discussing:

    The French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN) has ordered a new standard issue weapon.


    The decision to adopt the Bren 2 was the result of a process that began in 2015 after the Paris attacks in January that year. Faced with terrorists equipped with bullet-proof vests, French gendarmerie and police intervention units found that 9 mm weapons had little efficiency in such situations and that 5.56 mm ammo lacked the necessary stopping power.


    The CZ spokesperson said that the GIGN identified a need for a new weapon able to fire a heavier bullet. The 7.62 x 51 mm calibre had the suitable characteristics but the weapons for this calibre were considered too heavy and bulky for efficient close-quarter combat.

    Thus, GIGN decided to evaluate assault rifles chambered in the 7.62 x 39 mm calibre instead and undertook trials throughout 2015 with a variety of weapons.


    https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/special-operations/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle/


    Posted by @Vergennes elsewhere.

    GIGN is ditching their 5.56mm HK-416s for the 7.62x39mm CZ BREN.

    We have been talking about exactly this and the fact that one of the world's premier SF/intervention units that has enourmous real-world experience is moving in this direction says a lot. For an example closer at home- the IA is now looking for new generation 7.62X51mm rifles for its COIN/CT troops (AR and RR).

    Even the 5.56mm SIG-5XX rifle issued to 1-2 members of a HIT may not be overly helpful considering the 5.56mm NATO round is meant for range and to wound the enemy. The 7.62 round is clearly the way to go for "knock down" potency.

    I understand that the NSG's mantra is based around the 9mm round ie ultra high accuracy in CQB and the "double tap" but it is worrisome that they seem to be out of sync with the rest of the world's premier CT/intervention units (GSG-9, FBI HRT, GIGN etc) that have adopted "long guns" a while back. It won't hurt to have the MP-5/9mm round in their inventory but it should no longer be their standard issue.

    IF NSG wake up to this reality, the most simple solution would be (now made in India):



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    Although in CQB, the TAR-21 may be overly bulky and cumbersome.


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  2. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    In a first, NSG, Marine Commandos hold joint exercise in Kochi |

    Saturday 06 May 2017 03:57 PM IST
    by Onmanorama Staff

    Kochi: A joint exercise between the National Security Guards (NSG), Chennai Hub, and Marine Commandos of the Indian Navy (MARCOS) was conducted at naval base here from May 4 to 6 under the aegis of the Southern Naval Command.

    The exercise was aimed at providing a platform for achieving interoperability and cohesion during joint operations, PIB's defense wing said in a press release Saturday.

    Counter terrorist exercise on progress as part of a joint exercise between the National Security Guards (NSG), Chennai Hub, and Marine Commandos of the Indian Navy (MARCOS) which was conducted at naval base in Kochi.

    An NSG team consisting of 2 officers, 4 JCOs and 30 commandos and a 20-member MARCOS team, including two officers, undertook counter terrorist exercises including hostage rescue. This is the first time such an exercise was conducted in Kochi.

    The exercise was meant to fine tune the Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) to be employed during real time joint special forces operations in case of any unforeseen contingencies in future.

    http://english.manoramaonline.com/n...ne-commandos-joint-exercise-kochi-photos.html
     
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    Interesting...not only does this Sherpa not have the ladder system, it doesn't have much of a front guard like the other NSG Sherpas...only the bumper & a huge winch. Also, note that the rear section of the roof is missing. Funny, I didn't know that part could be removed....there is, however a possibility that this is a different variant of the Sherpa with a Hummer-like rear section which allows it to function like a transport/pick-up truck.

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    It is a Sherpa "light" which has a shorter wheel base, the ladder assualt platforms are based on the longer wheel base "Sherpa 2".

    Still wondering what the role these Sherpa "light" vehicles will play in the NSG, as you have pointed out they don't have the front guards but have a BIG winch so they won't be used as battering rams for dynamic entry. According to unknowncommando each NSG hub has 2x Sherpa "Light" and 1x Sherpa 2 ladder assualt platforms.
     
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    So in total NSG will be having twice the number of Sherpa Lights than Sherpa 2s? That's interesting.

    I guess this would help narrow down the possibilities of what their job could be. Let's start with the most obvious: Armored Transport. Plain & simple. Last thing you'd want is the NSG officers taking fire before actually getting on their feet when operating inside a hot zone...an armored transport which can provide not only a safe way of insertion/casualty evacuation, but also function as a nice cover platform when needed, is a welcome addition to any operation. And you can't possibly pile in all the deployed operatives into a single Sherpa at any one time anyway.

    The huge winch makes me think...maybe when & if the Sherpa-2 gets stuck after ramming into something/is disabled thereafter...one of the two Lights will be on standby to pull it out of the danger zone.
     
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    Looks nice. The NSG should now focus on improving the personal equipments of its operators,bringing it to high standards,even if things have really improved after the Mumbai attacks. @Abingdonboy Does the NSG use shields ? Not sure I've ever seen NSG operators using them.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Made my day :D

    NSG should also look into getting low-vis badges, even though they don't wear any during ops it would still be a nice addition at some point.

    Yeah they have them:
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    But they don't really operate with them, their SOPs call for being more swift, agile and lethal and to attack the target from a position of advantadge, they don't do the "brute force" full frontal assualt of other units that rely on ballistic sheilds.

    Absolutely, they've come a long way but they are still far from being on par with the top NATO units which should be the goal:

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    Helmets, plate carriers, NODs and arguably the weapons are rather outdated by current standards.
     
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