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Navy issues RFI for aircrafts for its aircraft carriers !!

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Desi Jatt, Jul 1, 2010.

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  1. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    F-35 B and C both have been offered. One is a Vertical take off plane and another is a short takeoff plane capable of being catapulted and even capable of taking off from a ski jump.
     
  2. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Thats good, Well what do you think about it?? should we make a move???
     
  3. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Yes, we should for the short take off version.

    The Vertical take off is a headache. Only required for very small carriers. In order to land these planes, the weight distribution has to be very optimum and for this the extra fuel has to be jettisoned into the ocean before landing. So that means that before next take off, the plane has to be refueled completely and with every flight we lose precious fuel.
     
  4. jha

    jha 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I do not agree..until and unless we are pitching for atleast 50 F-35 we will be having huge problem maintaining it..Its being speculated that its maintenance costs too much for the budget of our navy to sustain..
     
  5. prototype

    prototype Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    so much talk here about the procurement of f-35,but is it the best offer we have,at a time when euro fighter had claimed that it has more 5th gen capabilities then f-35
     
  6. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    All the rumors regarding the F-35 have no concrete base. It was believed to be uber expensive at $150 million a piece. Then they said it was maintenance heavy. But since it has never been operated, there is no indication that suggests the same.

    US planes have traditionally been light on maintenance, and that is a reason enough to believe the same would be true for F-35.
    F-35 is supposed to replace thousands of fighters all over the world, in such a scenario, spare parts would be easily available and the plane would easily last us over 30-40 years. The support for the plane would be continued by Lockheed Martin up till 2050 or even beyond that.

    All 5th gen planes will require more maintenance than the traditional fighters. But for the features they bring to the table, a little maintenance is worth it.

    IMO, India should order 20-30 of these aircraft.
     
  7. jha

    jha 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Do you seriously believe It will come at less than $150 mil...even if it comes it will be for USAF and USN only...not to forget at what price we are getting F/A-18 and how much does it cost to USN...
    Is it advisable to buy a plane which comes at 150 mil. when we will be inducting FGFA at 120 mi. (at max.) simultaneously..

    Feel free to disagree
     
  8. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    I don't think F-35 would cost any more than $60 million per aircraft for the US AirForce and not more than $110 million for other AirForces.

    Its price would be comparable to the 5th gen aircraft being developed by Russia, and slightly more than that of MCA.
     
  9. jha

    jha 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    well lets agree to disagree on this matter..I dont see it costing any where less than $150 mil. and hence its induction good for india and certainly you find it worthy enough to be inducted..

    10 years down the line if this forum is still here and we are still active here..everything will be out and we wont have to play with words..
     
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  10. Devianz

    Devianz 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    At 110 million a piece....They wont even recover half of the development cost of F-35.
     
  11. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    With a total development costs of $40 billion, and an order book of 3100 aircraft, I have reasons to believe it would costs lower in the long run.

    According to my calculations, if LM is offering it at $ 65 million to the US Air Force, to be safe, lets imagine they aren't making any profit on it at all.
    So 1 F-35 costs $65 million, and taking in the development costs, the final costs come up to $78 million. This should be the mean price for the 2015-2025 time period.

    Here are some clues at the real pricing of the aircraft.

    Turkey Signs F-35 Production MoU

    Likely F-35 Unit Cost Still Below $60 Million, Says Lockheed Martin : AINonline

    If we order today, the plane is expected to cost somewhere around $180 million for small order of 20 aircraft. But if we wait for 5-6 more years, which we should considering that the carrier wouldn't be ready before 2015 and its equipment fitting would take another 3-4 years, we might get the aircraft for a lot cheaper, since by then US would have started full scale production of the aircraft.

    By 2020, it is expected that the aircraft would cost $ 65 million for the US airforce and 100-120 million for the rest of the world, which doesn't seem to be a lot considering we would only be buying a squadron.

    Feel free to disagree, after all that's what drives a forum, doesn't it?
     
  12. prototype

    prototype Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    ok what is total budget proposed for this deal,is not typhoon a better option than f-35 when it have more 5th gen characters then f-35,also f-35's cost is a matter of concern,f-35 except its stealth has no real capability
     
  13. jha

    jha 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    your statement is probably based on the comparison done by EADS...when the plane itself is not fully developed how can anyone say it will supercruise or, not..?
    Lets not forget biggest advantage with F-35 is stealth which will allow it to shoot down any 4 gen fighter much before..
     
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    Naren1987 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Remember APA's analysis, there are other ways to detect an aircraft than VLO,
    There is the Infra red signature as well.
    And I'm sure that the F-35 will win in a simulation,
    But what of the survivability, I agree with the EF2000 magazine's argument that there are other ways of achieving it.
    And if it were the F-22, then I'd qualify it as a stealth Airplane, the IWB in the F-35 can carry only so many bombs, more weapons means more weapons on the external hardpoints, think about it.
     
  15. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    The IR signature is not visible from the front of the plane. The reception is so weak at that angle that it is only detected properly at ranges less than 20 kms, which is too low, and F-35 would have engaged the other plane by then.

    The IWB is always going to carry less weapons than the external hardpoints. But how many missiles does an aircraft require for a mission? F-35 carries 4 missiles in the internal bays, which to me are enough, for a naval aircraft.
     
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