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Navy keen on AMCA Project

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by CONNAN, Mar 2, 2011.

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  1. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Indian navy has asked for a briefing on the AMCA project which ADE is heading and they were briefed on AMCA project by the ADE which was attended by Navy’s high ranked officers. Navy earlier had shown interest in American made F-35 for their 5th gen platform requirements but it seems that Navy has decided to stick with Indigenous program.
    Navy will join the program once AMCA begins its Technological demonstration phase after its first flight somewhere near end of this decade.

    Navy is keen that N-LCA program is successful so that they can move to N- AMCA project soon after its completion. N-LCA had some issues with its landing gear which needed to be redesigned to operate on an aircraft carrier and survive hard deck landing .N-LCA NP-1 is almost ready for its first flight and will have its first flight in mid or end or March if Ground and taxi trials are conducted in time.


    Our sources have confirmed that Navy has received a Briefing and also a copy of ASR (Air Staff Requirements) issued by Indian air force on AMCA aircraft , Navy is also working out how N-AMCA will fit its doctrine and into its plans of operating larger aircraft carrier from IAC-2 onwards .

    Indian Navy Has Shown Interest In Advanced MCA Project ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS
     
  2. Hashu

    Hashu Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    our second naval plane! yay! :india:
     
  3. kingofkings

    kingofkings FULL MEMBER

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    ^_^ hopefully ....
     
  4. MAFIAN GOD

    MAFIAN GOD Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    These navy guys are well planners and managers.
    They always put their weight in indigenous projects.
     
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    Naren1987 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I agree, the navy think way longer term than the InAF and the Army.
     
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    it's a best strategy but future of AMCA is not clear. Still we don't have good engine and radar. I think govt should put money in R&D. BTW what is the new budget of DRDO And what was the previous.
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    ^^^^ I heard that kaveri has some 81 KN of thrust?? 2 engines might do good enough to have an entry level 5th gen fighter.
     
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    No....i don't think so all fifth Gen fighter have more than 150 KN with twin engine. DRDO need more work on Kavari...
    f-22 = 156 KN each (twin engine)
    F-35 = 191 KN single engine
    FGFA = 175 KN each (twin engine)
    J-20 = 155 KN each (twin engine)

    Our kavari thrust is not even enough for Tejas Mk-2.
     
  9. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yeah, but the AMCA will not be in the same weight category as the above jets.
    The AMCA is being designed as medium class fighter, the same category as the Rafale and the Gripen NG.
     
  10. Vritra

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    True, the Kaveri is in no way a suitable power plant for the AMCA for a number of reasons:

    Inadequate thrust: According to a report, the Kaveri actually produces only around 65kN or so of thrust, though they've managed to wring out about 80+ in a lab environment.

    Technology: Use the F-22's engine, for example. The P&W 119 has 40% fewer parts than conventional 4th generation engines. The design also features significant IR signature reduction features, not including the flat engine nozzle design. It's designed for continuous supercruising, high aoa manoeuvring, and so on. The new PAK-FA engine under production will be designed under similar conventions.

    The production variant of the F-22 flew first in 1997. During it's first flight, it was accompanied by an F-15 chase plane. Now, even with afterburners on, the F-15 could barely keep up with the F-22 which hadn't engaged it's own afterburners. I seriously don't see the Kaveri being able to do something like get a Tejas to outpace a Mirage 2000, for example. In fact, the closest the Kaveri comes to the F119 is the number of hours it's been tested for.

    Having said that, the AMCA won't be nearly as heavy as the F-22 or T-50. If it's in the weight class of the F-35, twin 90-100kN engines should be more than enough: twin 90-100kN engines of proper 5th technology, that is, if they're going for proper all-aspect stealth. I dunno if DRDO/GTRE/HAL can manage that, even with Snecma's help.
     
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