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Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tipnis

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    “Former Prime Minister (PM) of India, Jawahar Lal Nehru’s ambition to become world hero, had surrendered the national security interest during 1962 Indo-China war,†said Air Chief Marshal Anil Y tipnis, former chief of Indian Air Force (IAF).Tipnis was in Chandigarh on Sunday to preside over a seminar on “India and China: After 5 decades of Sino-India War†organized by centre for security and strategy. Further referring the role of Nehru during the Indo-China war and his “failure†to act on prior information about Chinese intention, Tipnis said that the results of the war reflects his Inability to read writings on wallâ€. He added that the then political head of the nation must have stepped down because Indian troops were not having basic clothing and weapon and it was really shocking “how they ordered them to loose the warâ€.
    Speaking on the issue, former army Chief, General V P Malik said that Nehru was the single face of India as far as foreign affairs were concerned at that time and his ‘Forward policy’ during the war was without application of mind because it was ordered without accessing our own strength, capabilities of air power and building infrastructure for the troops.
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    General Malik also rubbished Nehru statement made at that time on Indo-China war in Srilanka that “he has ordered his army to throw them (chinese) out “.

    Malik added that the then home minister, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel had informed the government through a letter on November 7, 1950 about that the Chinese government is trying to delude us by professions of peaceful intentions but the letter was kept locked for 12 years.

    General Malik termed the decision of not using air force at that time as “Unforgettable error of judgmentâ€.

    Malik also criticised the statement of Nehru made in 1962 that India is in better position in Ladakh region while the GOC of 15 corps, who was responsible for the security of Ladakh region, Lt Gen S D Verma had disagreed Nehru’s claim.

    Bharat Karnad, Research Professor, Centre for Policy Research, was of the view that time has come when India should adopt the policy of Tit fo Tat with China. Karnad added that the historical experience says that ‘appeasing policy’ adopted by India for China, is not viable at present time.

    He also emphasizes on spending India’s defence budget on developing strategic capabilities like what China is doing.

    Former high commissioner of India to Pakistan, G Parthasarathy was of the view that for China, morality does not matter and the time has come when India need to be very firm with China. Speaking on the ocassion, Security analyst Ram Madhav said that the strategic culture in the country needs to be developed. Organiser of the seminar, former Director General of Police (DGP) Punjab, P C Dogra introduced the audience about the topic and the speakers.
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    A blunder from a nincompoop which resulted in humilation of whole nation:suicide:
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    we all know this... due to nehru we lost 2 parts of kashmirs
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    he messed up kashmir.
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    about aksai chin,what could he have done???
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    ya n ambedkar was a brit b*tt licker.... :fuu: no one talks abt dat...
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    Totally agree your point ,but this thread is open on blunders commited by Nehru the looser
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    dere r many threads on nehru already here.... so y create another one ?? how abt create one thread on brit bu*t licking fag*ot ambedkar ?
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    Can u open the same , i will comment even i hate quota system
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    deployed IAF and called for a total war rather then addressing the nation to accept the defeat as he has done.
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    now now.... would you like to clear why ambedkar was a brit butt licker??

    have you any idea what a great person he was or your limited vision of not being able to see ahead of your nose gives you right to talk shit about the person who failed british attempt to divide India further during round table conference and giving us a constitution which has stood great and high after so many years and become a inspiration for other nations to fallow.

    hope you know he was the person who raised his voice against discrimination done against lower strata and for this most of upper class hindus should be thankful that because of him not only you got rid of biggest crime happened in India but also got saved from a civil war( hope you remember the reason for American civil war was slavery and what we practiced in India was just a another form of slavery)


    now I am waiting eagerly to know how amberdkar who has a chance to have his own nation stayed and lived for India becomes a brit butt licker... please answer ASAP
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    he wrote constitution ?? lol its a stolen from the constitutions of usa, germany and UK..... if u hate nehru cuz of him we lost kasmir blah blah blah (thank god half of its lost its a money wasting land anywazz) n many other things... den i hate ambedkar for giving reservation to the lower caste and i also hate him cuz he use to lick brit b*tt... those r my reasons same as u always find sum reasons to blame nehru....
    n i have seen many lower caste people who always blame famous brahmin people(dere r many anti brahmin blogs chek dem out)...... if lower caste people cant accept famous people from my caste den y should i accept deres ? same as de always find reasons to blame us... i got many tooo....
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    Anti-brahmin?? Visit some place you also find very high anti-gandhi and anti-india philosophy. And this is very serious situation. They called because of gandhi this lower class is divided from upper class. And this was actually fueled by the ambedkar.
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    I don't hate nehru as not a single Indian can hate him.... he had taken some bad decisions and those decisions I hate... not overall personality of Nehru... now how can anybody hate Dams, IITs build by him or the way he supported democracy in this nation and made us biggest democracy of world... so again I hate his decisions taken regarding defence, war and foreign policies where he sometimes gone too much to make his mark on history or just don't have a idea wtf is going all around.

    on constitution thing... I suggest you to read a book on constitution by Laxmikant... it will give you very clear idea that yes we used some ideas from constitutions of others nations but it was not a copy paste job... we studied them and used them to create some part of our constitutions for example we have fundamental rights which are very different from the fundamental rights from where we had taken the idea of fundamental rights or the secularism as word.... which is very different from the secularism used in all the world( here we promote all religions equally and have faith that religion helps people to do better things rather then communist secularism which deny religion and existence of god or american secularism which put state and religion on different fodder and then use it to spread hatred ).

    for another simple example... when you appear in a exam you study from all the reference books, notes but use that knowledge and write answers in your own words... so it is you who got passed of fail not the book and it is you who feel the pride and accept it as your achievement or embarrassment rather then the writer of the book.

    for another example... you don't reinvent the wheel everytime before going into some research or innovation. hope this make things clear about our constitution and please read before building a opinion.. as you said you are brahmin and of which you are proud... let me remind you the first and foremost duty of brahmin is to study all factors of a things and then only building his opinion and always trying to spread education, good and better philosophies, working tirelessly to evolve the society. Ask yourself brother are you doing your duty as brahmin before calling for proud to be a brahmin.

    Mr. ambedar was the head of our draft committee of constitution assembly and a lot of good things which goes in constitutions are because of him... we support NAMO for the success of Gujrat which happened under his leadership not by his only hand... so goes with amberdkar. having said that now let me remind you in that british supported seprate electrole for SC as they did for muslims in the constituencies in 1930. after a meeting of gandhi and ambedkar both of them rejected it (yes more chears for gandhi who made him agree but when you see Jinna you got a revelation that what a tempting offer it was which amberdar rejected after just one meeting and shown to british that we hindus are one and Indian before being anything else.

    I had said it many times but let me tell it again that during first half of 20th century SC are not allowed to seat equal to upper caste or to be considered human in comparison of other caste.... we had made them die rather then letting them have water from our wells... we had made them work contentiously without paying a single rupee to them.... we had done crimes and biggest crimes against humanity during that time.. and irony was we were not aware of this.. it was due to many social reformers in which Mr. amberkar was one including our great Vivekanad and Dayanand sarswati who fought against this discrimination that we had got rid of this decease...

    yes mr. abedkar supported the reservations because you can't make a uneducated one to compete with a educated one even in a environment where chances are equal and here we had field highly tilted for upper caste people.... just because of this reservation thing your nation India is integrated otherwise you had a rebellion on your hand same as american civil war... hope you understand that if I beat a person without his fault and then I feel sorry then it is my duty to take care of him until he become healthy and fit again.

    even Ambedkar has thought that reservation for 10 years will be more then sufficient to fill the gap but it was false and with the hatred you are showing right now... reservation which was used to stop discrimination between people has failed to achieve its object till now... if you hate a SC or a SC hate you it is not fault of Amberdkar.. he tried to make this nation as one and tried to remove all discrimination so people become Indian first rather then Brahmin or Sc or Hindu muslim.

    their cast accept all your great heros and famous people.... hope you would have seen how much they love, ram tulsidas. surdas, Krisna and how much they respect Puran which were only thing they had access to in past... it is you who want them to accept you as their superior because some body who belongs to your group has done great in past... this they will not accept because when you talk of past all they can remember is slavery and crimes done against their forefathers.

    my dear friend I know you are a good brahmin and want to be a better one... please take my suggestion and act as brahmin.... study everything about a person or as much as you can do before making a opinion.... India is fighting for its rights to exist right now... we have so many faults and hate brewing in us... do what a brahmin always done.... show the path of love, education and greatness not the path of Hate.
     
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    Re: Nehru’s ambition to become world hero responsible for 1962 Himalayan blunder: Tip

    Man, too bigger post. Firstly, i didn't read your full post, and later i will answer your each query. But one thing is that i didn't criticizing ambedkar for drafting the constitution, but the work he done after that i didn't support that, fueling the lower class against gandhi and india,how you look in that.

    My suggestion is that, try to meet some dalit people and talk to him. And ask some relevant question to him, then you will realize what I want to say, yeah in book the image of ambedkar or gandhi or nehru is very perfect, even some gandhi or nehru loving people can justify the socialism or 1962 disaster, but that is not the point.
     
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