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New Sniper record - 2.14 miles (3.45km)

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  1. BMD

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    A sniper with Canada’s elite special forces in Iraq has shattered the world record for the longest confirmed kill shot in military history at a staggering distance of 3,450 metres.

    Sources say a member of Joint Task Force 2 killed an Islamic State insurgent with a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle while firing from a high-rise during an operation that took place within the last month in Iraq. It took under 10 seconds to hit the target.

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    “The shot in question actually disrupted a Daesh [Islamic State] attack on Iraqi security forces,” said a military source, who stressed the operation fell within the strictures of the government’s advise and assist mission. “Instead of dropping a bomb that could potentially kill civilians in the area, it is a very precise application of force and because it was so far way, the bad guys didn’t have a clue what was happening.”
     
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    Man Makes Possible World-Record Shot With Iron Sights
    Postby mundaire » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:37 pm



    World Record Attempt Open Sight Shot 2240 yards Ernest Jimenez Unmodified K31 Swiss - 7.5×55mm Swiss

    Source: http://www.range365.com/utah-man-makes- ... ron-sights

    Utah Man Makes Possible World-Record Shot With Iron Sights
    By David Maccar June 19, 2017

    You’ve probably seen stories about some of the longest rifle shots every made recently, like the 4,210-yard shot Steve Spinella made with a .375 CheyTac rifle with a custom scope and riser.

    It’s a remarkable feat and a testament to the capability of todays rifles paired with modern optics and ammunition. But a recent series of shots made by Ernie Jimenez of Utah outshines Spinella’s numbers not because of how far he shot (though it’s far) but because of the rifle he used and the optics he chose...or, rather, the lack thereof.

    In the video above from Long Range Shooters of Utah shows Jimenez landing four shots on a 36-inch bright pink steel bison target set at about 2,240 yards downrange. Jimenez was shooting an unmodified, 1950-dated K31 rifle firing a 7.5 x 55mm Swiss Gewehrpatrone 1911 round, which is ballistically similar to the 7.62 x 51mm NATO/.308 Winchester cartridge. The rifle is outfitted with adjustable iron sights.

    For context, that's a shot of almost 1.3 miles with no optics.

    The four shots were by no means effortless for Jimenez. His first shot to hit, his 58th, doesn’t come until the 9-minute mark in the video, and his spotters actually called it a miss at first. After his three following hits, Jimenez talks about the handloaded rounds he’s using (when’s the last time you saw a box 7.5 x 55mm Swiss Gewehrpatrone 1911 at Cabela’s?).

    The K31 is an interesting rifle, in that it’s a magazine-fed, straight-pull bolt action rifle that was the standard issue long arm of the Swiss armed forced from 1933 to 1958, though it remained in service until the 1970s. The integrated 6-round magazine is loaded from the top of the receiver. To operate the action, the bolt handle is pulled straight rearward to unlock the action and eject the spent casing in one motion. Pushing the bolt straight forward again chambers a new round, cocks the striker, and locks the action. The reduced range of motion was meant to increase the rifle’s rate of fire.

    Jimenez’s rifle has a ladder-style tangent rear sight on his rifle, which was an adjustable sight found on some older military rifles that were meant for long-range shooting, likely used mostly for volley or suppression fire.

    The video description says Jimenez bought his rifle fro $99, proving you don’t have to drop a small fortune on a modern sniper rifle in a modern caliber to get those long-range hits.

    The video claims the shot is a record for iron sights, but that still has to be confirmed.
     
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    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Now thats a well built sniper rifle. TAC-50. How does it deal damage at 3.5km, when effective range is given as 2km?
     
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    Easy. It's supersonic for the first 2,000+m, depending on round, further for Hornady A-Max. But even at 3.45km it's still going as fast or faster than a pistol round and a .50cal is a big round.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG

    Shots further than rifle's stated effective range are not unusual though. Previous record of 2.475km was with a .338 LM L115A3, which is only stated as effective to 1,500m.

    This would be the ultimate sniper rifle in my book.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_IWS_2000
     
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    IWS 2000 fires a fin stabilized sabot round! Thats an interesting approach rather than increasing the size of the round ala Vidwansak. Its 7kgs lighter too.
    @Hellfire sir. Whats the judgement on the OFB:azn: Vidwansak, if u have an idea. The last , I read was that the army needed a lighter than 13kg rifle.
     
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    Headwind played it's part
     
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    It is an AMR which is used as a sector store ... pretty effective in the LC environment as it is able to deal with assigned targets.

    Since limited mobility is needed in the environment, it is sufficiently effective there, but not for the higher tempo of counter sniper fire needed to check enemy fire from prepared sites (at temporary locations) as heavy weight precludes rapid relocation of the weapon.
     
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    Here's what the British Army uses (.338 LM).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_AWM
    http://www.eliteukforces.info/weapons/l115a3-long-range-rifle/

    About half the weight of a TAC-50.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMillan_Tac-50
     
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    Did he at least write "sorry, guy" on the bullet before taking the shot? Not a real Canadian otherwise.

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    Nice shot, elevated shooting is a b*tch. JTF-2 has a reputation of being one of NATO's best. Quiet, professional and secretive. Damn good unit (though to be honest all NATO forces are top notch).

    It's honestly a pretty poor round for non anti-material marksmanship. It's a large round, but with an effective range of just 1000 meters it's outclassed by the .338 Lapua Magnum in distance. One of the biggest problems with these types of rounds is that they are subjected to more drag then are traditional rounds and that crimps both their range and their accuracy at distance. The smaller 12.7x99mm NATO round fired by a Barrett M82 has an effective range almost twice that of the larger 15.2x169mm round, at roughly 1800 meters.

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    The Russian 12.7x108 and 14mm rounds provide even greater ranges approaching and often exceeding 2000 meters effective distance, with maximum ranges far beyond that.

    Fin stabilized rounds perform well over a longer distance when fired on a flat trajectory versus traditional rounds which drop significantly over distance, but for precision marksmanship you'll often have to "hold" off a target high and offset, and this is where a traditional bullet performs better as it better responds to being manipulated by air pressure, temperature, distance, wind effects, humidity, spin drift and other environmental factors. Fin stabilized rounds maintain a flat trajectory too much and wont bend or curve into their targets over distance.

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    Great for hitting larger static targets such as light skinned vehicles or bunkers, but poor against a man-sized target over distance.

    Firing from an elevated position is fun because you'll actually need to hold low to hit your target to compensate for gravity, were as at lower elevations you hold high to increase distance, although over 3km it's likely you'd need to hold off high as well. I do have marksmanship training, BTW. Aerial gunnery with precision arms as part of C-SAR training.

    Very well regarded rifle. We join Israeli Special Forces in using the Barrett MRAD, an updated version of the M98B.

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    It's reported Norwegian special forces, FSK and MJK in particular, use the L115a3, but I can't find any pictures to support that.
     
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    That 1,000m is against armour. By comparison the range of a .50cal AP against 1 inch RHA is just 400m.;)
     
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    Considering they're such good shots, how come they keep shooting themselves in the foot?

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    Ottawa to offer Omar Khadr apology, $10-million in compensation


    ROBERT FIFE


    OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF — The Globe and Mail

    Published Monday, Jul. 03, 2017 10:00PM EDT

    Last updated Tuesday, Jul. 04, 2017 2:24PM EDT


    The Trudeau government is poised to offer an apology and a $10-million compensation package to former child soldier Omar Khadr for abuses he suffered while detained in the U.S. military prison for captured and suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 2010 that the actions of federal officials who participated in U.S. interrogations of Mr. Khadr had offended “the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects.”

    The court said the action of the Canadian government had violated the former child soldier’s rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and deprived him of fundamental principles of justice.

    Read more: How can Canada condone torture?

    A federal insider said the announcement of an official apology and compensation is expected this week.

    Mr. Khadr’s lawyer, Dennis Edney, has been seeking a formal apology from the United States and from the Trudeau government for the alleged abuse and neglect of Mr. Khadr while he was in the prison. Attempts to reach Mr. Edney for comment on Monday were unsuccessful.

    The apology and compensation is similar to the $10.5-million that Ottawa gave Syrian-born Canadian Maher Arar after a 2006 judicial inquiry found Canadian officials had passed on information about him to U.S. national-security authorities, leading to his torture and imprisonment in Syria.
     
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