No Hindus will be left in Bangladesh after 30 years: researcher

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SIndia should declare itself as Hindu nation?

Poll closed Dec 12, 2016.
  1. Yes,Since Bharat is the only Homeland of Hindus in the world.

    58.3%
  2. NO,Because we are Secular and we follow Gandhi and Nehru

    25.0%
  3. Why do Hindus have itch to be Secular?when no one around you is not.

    16.7%
  4. No Comment

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    0.0%
  5. Islam has 55 Nations,Christianity has 110 nations,why should Hindus have one Hindu nation?

    25.0%
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  1. soulspeek
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    Your hatred towards your own fellow minority citizens is despicable. You are nothing more than a rabid mullah in saffron clothes. Same mentality, same hatred. Its good that majority Hindus dont agree with your POV.

    RSS, VHP,Sangh are nothing but a warmongering potbellied group of lalaji calling for Hindu rashtra. They better stick to selling daal chawal.

     
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    We need not blindly follow our south Asian neighbours. If you observe closely none of our neighbours which have an official religion are anywhere close to our growth rate.
    Religion should not ever be intermingled with politics.
    It's unfortunate that despite being labelled a secular country India isn't completely secular. There's a dire need to bring in UCC.
    Yes we are a Hindu majority state. We have remained so since atleast last 7000 years. So why fear loosing the majority status now? Not even the Mughal rule could achieve it.


    I really don't see a need to declare an official religion. :)



    As far as BD is concerned, India's healthy influence on BD should keep extremism under check.
     
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    Hindus who live in BD know better ... they live there becas they want to ... there choice ... BD gov is responsible for safety n security of its ppl ... India n its Hindus take no responsibility of BD citizen ... unless they migrate to India n ask for help
     
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    How do you know that we will also be like our neighbors? are we the same religion?
    India controlled 25% World trade when Hindus were ruling it.
    How is asking for Hindu Nation politics? We have only one land in this whole planet and still you want it to remain secular? why? is anyone giving us a prize for remaining secular? NO!
    The world will still do trade with you even if you Secular or have a state religion.

    Why fear of loosing that status? Look at Bangladesh,it had 27% Hindus now there will be no hindus left in next 30 years in just 70 years they wiped out Hindus.
    We lost 80% of our land from Afghanistan,Pakistan,Cambodia,Indonesia, etc. What we have is the remaining 20%
    See the demographic census, Muslims have a 200% birthrate jump from 1947,while Hindus have declined.
    ASSAM,West Bengal,Kerala,Kashmir are an eye opener to what will happen to Hindus in future.
    Bangladesh cannot control it's people because they are also a Theocracy,there recent Durga puja riots forget Bangladesh in West bengal is a trailer of what will come in future.
     
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    How is stating facts hatred?
    Muslims asked for a separate land because they couldn't bear to live with Hindus,the partition was based on two nations one Islamic nation called Pakistan for Muslims and a Hindu nation for Hindus called Hindustan and they killed people for it, they got it.
    Those are the facts,which you want to brush it under the carpet in the name of secularism.
    Call me whatever,but things are changing fast and no Hindus won't be supporting Secularism just to placate some Minorities anymore it is past its expiry date.

    What is your problem with Hindu nation? You cannot convert the Pagan Hindus if that happens? Why should you even convert Hindus in the first place? and Hindus cannot even put up restrictions to stop your Evangelism?
    Your motives are clear,you don't want Minorities to do a Ghar Wapsi,but you want to Convert Hindus by proxy and make them a Minority in their own land,we seen this cycle in Middle east,Africa,Korea and Other nations.
    You are Rabid evangelist in Secular clothing. You better stick to selling your paper wafers and Wine.You already have 110 nations around the world to live in case something happens here,we have nowhere to go.
     
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    Then why does the Vatican Church send its emissaries when there are attacks on Churches here by Vandals ? what is its link to Indian Christians? or why do Mullahs here rave about Palestine,what is their link to Palestine?
    Taking care of Hindus around the world is India's destiny as a Homeland of Hindus. The Hindus lived in BD thinking they would be left peacefully,they are now seeing what happens when Abrahamic Religions rule as a Majority.While the same Abrahamic religions cry persecution here,even though they were never harmed and they indulge in mischief and rioting first.
     
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    A Hindu Nation,where all Hindus are one Entity,without the any Castes. You have weird ideas, because you don't know what a real Hindu nation means nor even have an Idea about its basis.
    Cow is sacred to Hindus and the Minorities should respect their sentiments,if they cannot even do that,how do they expect us to respect them?Respect is a two way street.
    National Anthem,well the Supreme court has just ruled it should be played in every cinema halls and people should stand to respect it.Period. We gave these Anti-Nationalists a long rope,they went from i wont sing Jana gana Mana to i wont say Bharata Mata ki Jai and Bharat tere tukde honge.
    Enough is enough!

    You can ask a person on the street,he won't know what Secularism means,but when you ask that Hindu,he will Recognize "Jai Shree Ram",that itself tells you,Secularism is a concept which floats only in Lutyens Delhi and some Urban educated Rich,Even they will come around to support when there is a movement.I pricked your bubble that many Hindus won't support Hindu Nation,look at the Poll on the top and see yourself,the results.

    It was the Hindus who voted BJP to power,the Core Hindutva vote base mobilized every Hindu and campaigned with enthusiasm therefore you saw people voting beyond castes.That is a Hindu nation. where Hindu interests are taken care of not caste or ethnic interests.
    Vajpayee made the mistake of trying to peddle Soft Secularism,what happened is he lost in 2004,because he disappointed the Hindutva base,who didn't mobilize to campaign.

    You are ok with living in a White,Anglo Saxon ,protestant Christian nation,but you have problems with Hindus living in their own homeland called Hindu nation? Such hypocrisy!

    Modi will face the same fate of 2004 as Vajpayee did, if he doesn't fulfill the promises of Hindutva,it is the permanent base which votes for BJP, not some Seculars ,minorties ( who never vote for BJP even if your kiss their feet). BJP knows it better than anyone else.

    None less than Akbaruddin Owaisi remarked that Hindu vote bank was a reality post 2014 elections .
    Congress conducted surveys and AK Anthony found out that Congress was considered anti-hindu party that is why they lost,since then they started celebrating Diwali in Congress headquarters which never celebrated any Hindu festival except Christmas and Eid.
    See the changes!
    Hindus voted as a vote bank overlooking caste barriers in (UP,Where caste is a major factor) that is why BJP swept everyone aside in UP winning 71 out of 80 seats

    The time has come for Hindus to unite as one Entity,It is the Secular Politicians who never wanted to Unite the Hindus as one Entity removing the Caste and Regional Boundaries, so that they could play each caste against other and keep their power and position.
    With Hindutva ,Hindus will be one Entity.
    How long will you keep playing the same old tune that Hindus were never united people?Who gave you that idea? The world is changing,so are Hindus because they face a Existential crisis in future.
    There is no threat? Look at Kashmiri Pandits, Assam,West Bengal,UP ,Kerala,North East how can one be so naive as an Ostrich,to bury their heads in sand,when danger is close.

    Indira Gandhi introduced the words Secularism in 1974 which was not even present in Constitution,Just like that we can amend Constitution,What alarm bells,The minorities in India want to make Hindus dance as per their tune? They should respect our religious sentiments.
    The world cares a damn if you become a Theocratic state.There are many around this world which have state religion.
    I will have this talk with you after next 10 years,when you see the changes and the groundwork being prepared for Hindu nation.

    RSS was just a small organization formed 90 years ago by a Doctor name Keshav Baliram Hegdewar,No one took him seriously then,everyone laughed about him and his idea and look now,it took RSS such perseverance,discipline and integrity to achieve Majority now.Everything has a Beginning,Unfortunately,Secularism is at it's end,the world wide changes will add impetus to Hindu Rashtra formation.

    RSS camps have no caste basis,everyone can join,provided they have the utmost respect for the country.
    You should read about the Hindu Nation ideals from Swami Vivekananda,Swami Aurobindo, M.S. Golwalkar and Dr.Keshav Baliram Hegdewar,Savarkar.That will clear your misconceptions about Hindu Rasthra. Instead of parroting that India will be a failed state just because Pakistan was is not a case.
    I have already given you an example.
    X+X=XX
    X+Y=XY
    So your theory that India will become a Hindu Pakistan is hence disproved.
     
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    This is beyond stupid, what you want is a theocratic pseudo democracy. What is this uniquely Indian bullshit about "Respecting sentiments?" Democracy is about individual liberties, if you're offended, look away. If a minority or even a Hindu wants to eat beef it's their right, this banning nonsense is idiotic and backward. The Indian Gvt has always been way too involved in policing the private lives of people. No Government and no fellow citizen has any business deciding what another person eats or what other personal preferences they exercise inside their home as long as they do not harm other people. Don't wanna eat beef? Don't. But you have no business telling others what they should be eating just because you don't like the idea of cow slaughter. It's no less ridiculous than Muslim countries that ban pork.

    Also, you don't know jack about America. America is a secular democratic republic. There's complete separation of Church and State, which is the ideal form of Gvt. So it's stupid to claim that America is something which it isn't, and stupid to call me hypocritical based off of your complete lack of knowledge of America. If America is White, AS and Protestant because it was founded by such people (even though most of America's founding fathers were personally atheists and deists), then India is also Gujarati because of Gandhiji, now do you see how that's an idiotic argument?

    And just because you wish it weren't true and want to engage in revisionist history doesn't change the fact that Hindus are an inherently divided people. Btw your polarization Hindutva formula tanked in Bihar, caste triumphed again, but please keep telling me how Hindutva is some great uniting force, you're living in a fool's paradise. 2014 was a referendum on the corruption and misrule of Congress and MODI's record of good governance and development in Gujarat WITH a bit of Hindutva flavoring, nothing else. Don't live in the delusion that 2014 was some grand Hindutva victory or that same tired old foolish statement that "Hindus will throw Modi out." BS. BJP only won because of Modi, otherwise they are a pretty incompetent party with a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot. 2014 was won because Modi turned it into a personality contest like US elections, unlike any previous Indian election.

    And that final mathematical example is frankly laughable if you think that disproves anything.

    Let me give you a similar proof then.

    Banana + car = Donkey
    Pencil + water = Bag

    There, now I also disproved you. Lmfao.

    All of your talk is stunningly similar to the philosophies of those who set up Muslim theocratic states, religion has NEVER been a successful basis for a country. All the successful countries of the day are secular democracies. Even Israel is successful because while they are a Jewish state in name, they are still a democratic state and over there Muslims are actually allowed their own parallel law system as per Islamic tenets.

    I don't need to read anything, I'm well aware about the philosophies and arguments of the people you listed and varying suggestions and arguments regarding a Hindu Rashtra, there is no need for any such thing. And this big wave you keep talking about is nonexistent. Modi won 2014 because Congress was terrible and he was a great candidate, there is no great Hindu unity coming soon nor is there any Hindu Rashtra.
     
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    I will discuss Rights when your USA Presidents stop using a Bible as Swearing in Document. Even Obama did it!
    Of course,Do you think Mutual respect is just one way street? like Abrahamic religions want you to believe?
    We are still Hindus in our homeland and we are proud of it! Sorry to say You 2nd/3rd generation born in Americas should keep your Loyalties to your place of birth and not worry much about us Hindus in Bharat. We are still here fighting our fights.

    Don't apply your AMERICAN CONSTRUCTS HERE! It Never works out,You were born in a foreign land and live in a Foreign land, we live in our Own Country,we know what we are and what we face! So Can Americans stop giving us lectures on Secularism? when their own country was described by SAMUE.P. HUNTINGTON as White,Anglo Saxon,Protestant Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington

    Here you go the greatest post modernism thinkers of USA and his thoughts!

    You should read more about your Founding fathers and the Free Masonic Chapters in Europe to know what and how Your America came to be,so naive!

    Cow is Holy for Hindus, if you cannot even respect THAT, that then i why should i respect your Religion in the first place?
    You see from the POV of American Natives/Red Indians which your White ,Anglo Saxon Christians wiped them out.
    We are the Natives of this land and who are you to demand we should be as what you want?You are just Invaders!


    We have the muscle to kick you out unlike the Native Americans/Red Indians who were Genocided with Small Pox Blankets and False promises..
    We will kick arse of everyone in the world.

    Oh! You were always told India was a poor place in need of Help from Western Nations?:haha:

    Before commenting on Bharat, i suggest you deeply study about the origins of the founders of USA.

    Ahh, now i get it,you are in BJP Camp because it won?
    Your argument that BJP Won because of Congress scams and Development plank stands denuded,
    BJP retained its core Hindutva Vote bank and as i said before Secular parties pushed the Secular Hindus into voting for Hindu Interests. Case Closed.

    You claim to be born in USA and yet you talk about Ground Reality of Bharat? What a Disconnect!



    Watch the video that will answer your Delusions that BJP was voted only because of Scams of Congress and Development agenda of BJP!
    Bolo Hindutva ki JAI!
     
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    That is an idiotic statement. Do you even know why they do that? The bloody point is that you are swearing on your religion that you will uphold the nation's interests and do your duty. And you can choose any Bible depending on your Christian denomination or any other religious book if you are from a different religion. Seriously, if you don't know anything about America, just keep quiet rather that trying to build nonsensical arguments out of pure lies. Don't people swear on the Gita in courts in India? Does that mean India is a theocratic state?

    And that is beyond a stupid thing to say, we should keep our loyalties to our place of birth? You are fortunate we continue to balance our loyalties between place of birth and India, it is your country which benefits from it, we don't have a whole lot to gain from dividing our loyalties between multiple countries, but we form a significant asset and soft power projection channel, as well as foreign lobby for YOUR country genius. Please remind, does Modi not go around the world holding speeches for NRI's, talking about what a valuable asset Indian diaspora and NRI's are for India? Seriously, if you don't have knowledge beyond a certain level, you should talk on your level rather than trying to cook up nonsensical arguments and looking foolish.

    Again, you are such an interesting specimen. You've read a couple wikipedia pages and you think that makes you the authority on America. You talk about old philosophers and ancient masonic lodges as if the ancient population belonging to one group forms the whole basis of a country. In that case, India is an Aryan country, sounds pretty stupid huh? Well that's your argument. Unfortunately for you, you don't know jack, but instead of understanding that and being humble you go around teaching others. You claim to be a doctor, if you are really one perhaps you should stick to medicine, which is your *alleged* area of expertise. America is not a White Anglo Saxon Protestant nation. In fact it's doubtful how much of the population even is White, Anglo Saxon and Protestant anymore. It's a democratic republic, with no role for religion in governance. Either read up on America or don't talk about it, because your current level of knowledge on the subject matter is plain abysmal. The only thing that's W.A.S.P. about America is that it's early population used to have a large amount of WASP's, that has change now. Nowadays even the whites are mixes of 4-6 different European groups, and we had our first Catholic President back in the 60's already. So much for Anglo Saxon and Protestant. Mixed race and Hispanic people are rapidly overtaking Whites in population numbers, and God only knows how many "pure" whites will be left by the end of the decade, so much for "white." So there goes your constantly repeated nonsensical argument about W.A.S.P. America.

    As for you telling me to read up on America, that's just beyond sad, you look like a fool spitting up at the sun right now, you've made a mockery of your own self over the course of this argument, and I don't refer to it as a debate because you've failed to uphold your end of making it one. All you've done is ramble on and on incoherently, both because your writing is unintelligible and more importantly because your thoughts lack sophistication and clarity. You keep chasing your own tail in circles about minorities and muscle and kicking people out and secularism being dead though, you're doing an excellent impression of Praveen Togadia.

    You keep living in your delusions that 2014 was the year of Hindutva, people largely voted for BJP in spite of Hindutva because BJP was lucky enough to have a leader of Modi's caliber fall into their lap from the sky, not because people give two shits to Hindutva or because BJP is a particularly brilliant political party, they aren't, they are *almost* as clueless as Congress, but fortunately less corrupt and not dynastic. And I am not in anyone's "camp," this isn't a sports team that you support no matter what. I support intelligent, quality candidates, and as far as parties are considered, I generally go with the least of all evils.

    And lmfao, that final statement is beyond idiotic, even from the standards of your own comments. I've been to India more times than I can count, and I've got plenty of family there, not everyone is as lacking in intellectual sophistication as you may be accustomed to. I'm not so stupid that I can't know the ground realities of a place just because I don't spend every living moment there.

    And how appropriate, to back up your asinine viewpoints, you enlisted the help of the Great Psycho Swami. That guy is equal parts moron and psychopath, it's a shame he ventured too far from his area of expertise, which was allegedly economics, although with his vicious character witch-hunt of Rajan I am beginning to wonder what kind of economist he must have been as well. Rajan predicted the global financial meltdown of '08 when most well respected economists were bullish, Swamy's greatest distinction is probably getting kicked out of Harvard.

    Rather than wasting my time with the same old tired replies foaming at the mouth about Hindutva nonsense, you'd be well advised to stick to your expertise. And btw, keep insulting NRI's if you're an idiot, we have nothing to lose, but your country will lose a valuable asset and foreign lobby group.
     
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    y the f**K r u arguing over here if u want to be like vatican n mullahs .... go join some political party and become savior of hindus world over
     
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    Just the mention of protecting Hindu rights gives people diarrhea,no wonder you were persecuted in every country because you put down your own.
     
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    See this strategy is stupid. Many may have been able to curb population by fiat, but no one has ever succeed in increasing it, and no one ever would. How would you force women to give birth and nurture a child, if she does not want to? If one child norm become a social norm, there is no going back to two child norm by fiat or as you say "allowing it". It is wiser to promote idea of two or three children family, rather than civilization destroying one child family.
     
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    Do you even know why Obama being a Muslim denied being a Muslim and swore oath on Bible? these are hard facts that if you want to make it big Politically,you have to be a Christian in USA,Take the example of
    Kamala Harris,, Bobby Jindal who converted to Christianity to become Senators.

    Not to mention Tulsi Gabbard who was vilified for being a Hindu,called her Devil Worshipper etc.
    USA is a white anglo SAXON,Protestant Christian nation.You cannot hide their Christianity under Secularism , it seeps right through The facade.

    How are we fortunate when you live there and try preaching American values as absolute gospel truth to others here?How does your American conditions where Your nation was founded on the basis of Protestant Christianity, applicable to India where Pagan Hindus live?
    India can pull it's own weight without the intervention of the so called Soft power of NRI community.Too much importance has been given to Soft power and NRI lobby forgetting that Hard power is what gets things done.

    The Whole argument of Aryan stands on Aryans as a race which was propounded by Western Indologists now stands debunked,The word Arya " means a Noble and educated man" not Race.
    So yes,India was a place of Aryans because Indians were the most educated,while the Europeans were swinging from branches and living in caves.
    I have given you enough proof that America was defined by the greatest thinkers as a White ,Anglo saxon,protestant Christian nation. You have yet to prove me wrong with proof that it is not so.Instead you keep writing lengthy paragraphs without even a shred of proof!

    We just saw how President Trump was elected by the White Anglo Saxon Protestant Christians and other Christians in general.Trump won America on the basis of Xenophobia,Hating Muslims,Latinos,blacks and others. The evidence is there for all to see.Don't deny it. Get off your high horse,You are such a great example for the world aren't you?

    Keep telling that yourself that BJP got elected by Seculars and Development agenda,The truth even BJP knows it was the Hindutva core which voted them to power and influenced others to vote for Modi.In future every party will pander to Hindu interests for its vote bank and then we shall see who calls the shots.

    So you know a lot about India without living here, while i don't know anything about America because i live in India? How does that argument sound? Genius!

    That guy Swami has a twitter following of 3 Million and he brings down Governments and sends bigwigs to jail.You sound like a fool, to think that he is asnine and chuckle at the fact he was removed from Harvard for not being Politically correct and addressed the Terrorism problem,the way it should be. Rest of India doesn't think he is Asnine.
    You are in the US camp of Rajan,no wonder you hate Hindus being Hindus.


    Let me quote your American President John.F. Kennedy "Ask not what this country did for you,ask yourself what you did for the country".
    You left because the country didn't give you what you desired,instead of staying back and helping the country, i am not blaming you for your choice,you did what you thought was necessary.

    Truth is you need India more than anyone else, Without India as your anchor you will be,rudderless and no one will care in Western nations and the world.The world respects you because India throws it's weight around and acts as your shadowyou.You can stop Lecturing Hindus on how to run their country as per American values.We are not America!
    Why do you call yourselves Indian Americans? Where is this India in America?

    You can kiss goodbye to India,Trust me,you are not doing us any favor,
    India doesn't need you.It is the you who need India to fall back on when the going gets tough.
     
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    yawn yawn
     
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