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No quota benefits after conversion: High Court

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Karthic Sri, Mar 7, 2011.

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  1. Karthic Sri

    Karthic Sri <b>STAR MEMBER of the MONTH</b> SENIOR MEMBER

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    No quota benefits after conversion: High Court​


    Gandhinagar: The Gujarat High Court has rejected a plea filed by a converted Christian seeking access to benefits extended to him earlier as a Scheduled Caste Hindu.

    While a state government panel held that he had converted, the petitioner denied doing so and challenged the cancellation of a Scheduled Castes certificate issued to him.

    The bench of Chief Justice SJ Mukhopadhaya and Justice JB Pardiwala refused relief to petitioner Nimesh Zaveri and said he and his family members could not enjoy the benefits after conversion.


    Zaveri had obtained a Scheduled Castes certificate from the state authorities. After a complaint that he had converted to Christianity, a scrutiny committee issued show cause notice to him seeking his reply.

    In his reply, he denied converting to Christianity and claimed he continued to be a Scheduled Caste Hindu.

    The committee, after considering all the aspects, directed the cancellation of the caste certificate given to Zaveri and his family. It held that he and his family had converted.

    A single judge bench upheld the order of the committee against which Zaveri preferred an appeal before the division bench.

    The division bench noted, in an order made available Monday, that the committee relied on an affidavit of Zaveri before an executive magistrate July 5, 1990.

    "The affidavit stated that he had converted to Christianity by baptism on July 14, 1987 and he had declared that he and his children will not be known as 'Hindu Vankar' (caste) but as 'Indian Christian'."

    The scrutiny committee found that Priest Samuelbhai Ukabhai Parmar had issued a certificate registering the petitioner in the Methodist Church June 18, 2002 on the basis of baptism conducted July 14, 1987.

    In the marriage invitation card of Zaveri's sons, they were described as Christians.

    The judges said these findings and the refusal of grant of relief by the single judge did not call for their interference and dismissed the appeal.

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    This judgement is the most welcome as even in Tamil Nadu most of the converted Christians continue to show themselves as Hindus just for the benefits of reservation.

    This also shows how most people convert not out of a true search of peace but for economic purposes lured by money in the first place.
     
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    If that is general case then it will support your argument.

    I do agree that SC/ST/OBC's should lose their reservation benefits since after conversion apparently they have become part of a religion that does not discriminate.

    It is a case of not eating your cake and having it too.
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Ya ya Christians are the Gods :lol:. They donot have something like roman catholics and protestants :lol:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_Indian_Christians

    Sorry chap...better luck next time :smokin:
     
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    Dude, what's wrong with you? Are you hanging out with RSCWC too much?

    Comparing Catholics and Protestants is like comparing Shivaites and Vaishnavs in Hinduism.

    Those are lateral divisions not vertical as in the case of Hinduism where the society is categorized with Brahmins at top and Shudras at bottom.

    @ Topic,

    Are you against this ruling?
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Your post was offensive. It intended to means as if discrimination is only part of Hindu religion. The christian religion in some way or other has adopted this and cant claim to be non discriminatory.

    @Topic: I am totally in favour of this ruling. The very basic reason for reservation after conversion doent exist and hence no benefits.
     
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    How was it offensive? class category based on birth is a basic tenet of Hinduism. That is the reason caste based reservation was implemented in India.


    You are actually making a case for extending the benefits to Christians. If you are saying that other religions also have class based discrimination, then there is no reason why reservation should not be extended to them also.

    Ok good, so we agree on that.
     
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    Casteism is well entrenched in Sub-continent and all religions in Sub-continent - Hinduism,Christianity,Islam, Sikhism practise casteism.

    One of the worst myths - casteism has everything to do with the prevailing class structure at that time and absolutely nothing with Hinduism.
     
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    Pure propaganda.

    Religion has nothing to do with the human practice evolved over a period of time. Division was based on ability but somehow it was converted into heredity.

    Read
    1. M.P. Jain: Indian Constitutional History. (Sorry dude I had history in my hons course as well :azn: Your bad luck again)




    There is a case. The original Hindu who originally got discriminated are no longer in the same shoes. The very basic purpose of giving reservation was because of discrimination in Hinduism. Law id not responsible if some religion adopts an evil practice and then claims reservation based on that.

    Good.
     
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    i really hate quota system. their should be quota for only BPL families.
     
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    I am not denying the great many books you have read, and I am sure there are many leather bound in your study.

    But what is the point you are making?

    Are you saying there should be no religious basis for reservation?


    That is what I said, caste system in Hinduism is the reason caste based quota system was established.
     
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    I assume you mean below poverty line.

    I am not against it, but if that happens, Knicker wearing sanghis are going to protest that why poor Muslims are being included in that quota, and how poor muslims are getting a preferential treatment in secular India.
     
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    Your very basic point that by conversion they are in a religion of Non discrimination is incorrect. Just like Hinduism, Christianity too has caste system in India. So nothing peculiar about NON DISCRIMINATORY NATURE.

    It should not be and as a matter of fact it is not in most of the cases.



    Correct. But by converting into Christians, they donot step into the religion of NON DISCRIMINATION. Hope the point is clear.
     
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    Actually secular nuns were jumping for reservation for christians dalits but it was denied by Gandhi-nehru family. Since we have one nun so you can hope for some relief.
     
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    If, as you contend, that Christianity also has caste based system in India, like Hinduism, then IMO benefits of caste based reservation should be extended to Christians too.
     
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    the caste system doesn't come from hinduism! in the past there are a lot of this caste system in punjab and in some places there still is! it's cause lower caste people are still given huge rights but now that's what is dividing them from the rest...other people think it's too unfair!
     
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