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Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Technofox, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. Fox

    Fox Supreme Overlord FULL MEMBER

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    2 Battalion training in Ādaži, Latvia during NATO exercise Saber Strike 2017.

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    @Abingdonboy the more I look at this the more it looks exactly like the proposed medium multi-role helo. And looking at this, it is easy to see how after this, a heavy lift helo can be built.
     
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    Danish Frogman Corps during a public display (June, 2017) marking the unit's 60th anniversary.

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    You might be thinking to yourself after seeing all these pictures, "Fox, which among you Borklanders has the Stronkest military?" Good question. Let's explore.

    Sweden has the largest and most well equipped Air Force flying over 70 JAS 39s (with 20 more as designated trainers) and in the near future, the JAS 39E/F. Norway and Finland have smaller Air Forces outfitted with roughly 50 F-16s and F/A-18s respectively with Norway replacing their F-16s on a 1-to-1 basis with the F-35 and Finland recently floating a tender for a replacement as well. Denmark's Air Force flies only 30 old F-16s with plans to procure just 27 F-35s, representing a downsizing in their force total. Sweden also features a larger number of helicopters and support aircraft then either of the other four Borks (Iceland included) with Norway, Finland and Denmark following in that order. However, only Norway operates Maritime Patrol Aircraft with 6 P-3C/Ns (to be replaced by the P-8A).

    Sweden takes first followed by Norway, Finland and Denmark.

    Norway has the largest Navy, and rightfully so with the largest amount of water to patrol. It has a total of 70 vessels including 11 surface combatants and 6 submarines. Sweden has just 7 surface combatants and 5 submarines, Denmark with 9 surface combatants and 0 submarines. Finland rounds out the list with just 6 small surface combatants and again, 0 submarines. Norway has a much larger fleet of support, intelligence and auxiliary vessels as well.

    Norway is the undisputed king on the water. Denmark and Sweden are roughly comparable with Denmark having larger vessels, but Sweden having submarines helps them make up points. Finland is last by a long shot.

    The Army's are hard to compare. Finland has a large number of conscripts compared to full-time soldiers and it isn't particularly well equipped either. Sweden has the largest Army, but it doesn't have a lot of experience in actual combat. Their equipment is middle of the pack. Denmark and Norway have smaller forces then Sweden and Denmark's equipment is comparable to the Swede's as well. The Danes have combat experience in the Middle East and South Asia. The Norwegians also have combat experience and are soldier-for-soldier better equipped then their fellow Borks. Norwegian Air Defence, artillery and IFVs (Norway used to operate the worst CV90s, but with the induction of the MK.III upgrade, are now considered to operate the best in the world) also outclass their counterparts in Denmark, Sweden and Finland, but they do lag behind in terms of heavy armor with older model Leopard 2 tanks.

    Sweden has a large Army, but it's lesser equipped compared to its Norwegian counterpart and isn't as battle hardened either. Denmark's Army is comparable to Norway's in total size and combat experience, but also lags in terms of equipment. What they lack in numbers, Norway's Army makes up for this shortfall by being the best equipped force in Borkland and with years of grueling experience across Africa, the Middle East and South Asia.

    Conclusion? It's hard to say and really does depend on what criteria you're measuring. Norway's Army and Navy have sophisticated equipment and real world experience, and its Air Force is modernizing with the induction of AW101 helicopters, F-35s and plans for the P-8A to replace the P-3C/N. While it currently lags behind Sweden in capabilities and size, it's closing the gap rapidly.

    Looking at them objectively, and not as the totally, 100% biased Norwegian that I am, Norway's military as a whole is the best the Nordics have to offer. It has the largest Navy, second largest Air Force and the third largest Army, but years of combat experience and the best equipment found not just in the Nordic countries, but by many respects, the best found anywhere. Norway, in my view (and I really am being objective) after doing a comparative analysis based on size, sophistication and experience comes out on top in Northern Europe.
     
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    2 Battalion in Latvia for NATO exercise Saber Strike 2017.

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    Telemark Battalion in Lithuania for NATO exercise Iron Wolf 2017.

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    Additional pics of NATO exercise Iron Wolf 2017.

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    Forget the P-8A, gib this to Norge:tongue1:!
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    A question, slightly out of the topic.
    Apart from NATO, there are many "ally like" Nations of USA, like Australia, Sweden, Japan, Israel,Finland,Singapore, etc.

    Are these nations too have their armed forces with NATO standards, means in case of a conflict, will these allies be able to fully integrate into NATO battle groups ?
     
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    Adhering to NATO standards in equipment and training helps greatly from a logistical perspective, but ultimately isn't a deal breaker either. What matters more when integrating a foreign or non-NATO force into a NATO battle-group is cooperability and that only comes from training regularly with NATO forces and participating with them in operations. Australia has both NATO standard equipment and a long-standing policy of participating in NATO-led conflicts and is considered one of the most ready nations to join a campaign alongside NATO proper. Conversely, Pakistan adheres largely to NATO standards as well, but without the same level of cooperation and experience with operating under NATO command and control, isn't as capable of seamlessly operating alongside NATO as part of a larger battle-group.

    Standardized equipment and training is very helpful, but isn't the crux of what makes NATO a capable fighting force. A number of Eastern European nations actually use Russian origin weapons including Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Finland - the first three of those are NATO member nations. That does complicate supply-side risks, but doesn't preclude their participation in NATO. Rather it's that they train with NATO forces on a regular basis that has ensured they can be a credible contributing member to NATO operations. That's something Australia shares with them, but isn't a similar benefit Singapore or Japan has, though Japan is highly integrated with the US and that could help ease the transition into an integrated NATO-led unit.

    Sweden, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia make up the EU's Nordic Battle-group, a parallel EU-led NATO-type initiative established to provide collective defence for EU member states. It has had serious readiness and cooperability problems due to a lack of integrated command, improper spending and infrequent training. Of the seven nations that make up the NBG, four are NATO members. However, when Sweden and Finland cooperate with NATO during NATO-led exercises they are more able to participate and integrate because of a more rigid command structure in NATO, but also because they regularly train with NATO and NATO member states. Sweden, despite not actually being a NATO member is considered de facto one because of its closeness to NATO and inter-cooperability.

    Here we can see Swedish and Finnish soldiers training in Norway during the major NATO-led Cold Response exercise. Both countries also provide support to NATO-led operations in Afghanistan and Kosovo. Despite not being NATO members, they train with and partake in NATO-led operations to improve their ability to cooperate and integrate with NATO.

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    Here we see Norwegian and Swedish troops join their Finnish counterparts in Finland for a major CBRN/EOD exercise. This is a NORDEFCO exercise. NORDEFCO is a cooperative bloc between Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Sweden and Norway to improve the common defence of the Nordic countries. It exists outside of the EU's NGB and NATO command. But again, despite not having standardized equipment our high levels of cooperation make operating under a singular command structure easier.

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    Despite not sharing equipment standards out nations are able to cooperate and operate as a singular unit because of high levels of cooperation and ultimately that's what makes NATO, NATO. While they share equipment standards a Singapore, Japan or Pakistan, all major non-NATO partners, wouldn't be able to integrate into a NATO led battle-group as easily as Finland or Sweden because they lack this important aspect.
     
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    Above I mentioned something called NORDEFCO. NORDEFCO - Nordic Defence Cooperation - is a bloc parallel to the EU's Nordic Battle-group and NATO established to increase cooperation, intelligence sharing, training and standardization within the Nordic countries. It includes Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland.

    These photos are from a NORDEFCO CBRN/EOD exercise in Rauma, Finland.

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    NATO member nations provide support for Icelandic Air Policing, but so does NORDEFCO with Finland and Sweden providing assets as well. Iceland does not have a standing military.

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    I'm in favor of expanding ties within NORDEFCO and expanding the bloc to include proto-Nordic countries Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, but am not in favor of joining another EU-led common defence initiative, as is being discussed now that the UK and US are being weird.
     
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    The 133 Air Wing's 333 Squadron celebrates its 75th anniversary with an airshow at Andøya on June 24, 2017.

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    P-8, is it here for evaluation I wonder:hmm:?
     
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    More pics from Iron Wolf 2017.

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    Flare gun? Interesting. I have to wonder if equipping soldiers with flare guns is part of an initiative to train soldiers to be able to operate in EM heavy environments or when comms are denied.
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    2 Battalion in Latvia for NATO exercise Saber Strike 2017.

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    Rifle-fired grappling hook?
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    I've got pictures of Telemark Battalion during Saber Strike 2017 for days.

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    awww, so kind. but theres a problem it thought sweden was the enemy?
    ahh yes i forgot the f16 were being scrapped instead of being sold as there would be hassle in exporting and then getting the thumbs up from uncle sam. is it me or from the pic above they using ge-f110 engines.......interesting.
     
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    Taking a break from Saber Strike 2017 for a bit, because it's time for Dynamic Mongoose 2017!! Dynamic Mongoose is a major NATO-led ASW exercise.

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    Yeah, friend might be pushing it with the Swedes. Renegade territory maybe? East Norway as I call them.
     
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    Dynamic Mongoose 2017 features 10 nations, 5 submarines, 8 MPAs, and 11 ships.

    Canada, Poland, the US and UK, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, the Netherlands, France and Germany. Collectively this force is known as Standing NATO Maritime Group 1.

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