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Obama pushes for ‘Jet deal’

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Mar 15, 2011.

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  1. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    with out cismoa american fighter are like gliders and only stupid like to buy this
     
  2. ShUeY

    ShUeY FULL MEMBER

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    Is the F-18IN different from the normal F-18 Super Hornet? What are the differences?
     
  3. ShUeY

    ShUeY FULL MEMBER

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    You should put a picture of yourself, not another man who you seem to adore. I hope you're not trying to fool the ladies on this site.
     
  4. Lock786

    Lock786 FULL MEMBER

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    I really hope Obama's jet deal get signed.
     
  5. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    And I am hoping for F-16 IN :azn:
     
  6. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    we are not stupid like Pakistan who singh cismoa and saluting all american including scwiper:sad:
     
  7. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Its not like our air force is super duper strong that it can afford to buy 126 lame ducks!!!!!!
     
  8. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^^^ its not like f 16 is a bad platform....it is a strong contender but the prob lies with its future......
    we want a jet with future....so f 16 is literally not even in the race.
     
  9. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    -Barely any ToT
    -No critical components without CISMOA
    -Regular hardware inspection
    -Restrictions on how the IAF/MoD uses the hardware
    -Risks of sanctions
    -Uncertainty on the future of the F-16IN

    Too many compromises if an American jet is chosen. The MMRCA was opened keeping in mind that this deal would let India gain some critical technologies that would have taken decades trying to develop it ourselves.

    MMS and Antony should get smart and follow what the Armed Forces have been saying and this is not to sign these intrusive agreements. Instead of settling for a compromise on such a huge deal (the biggest purchase for the AF so far) which has a lot of potential for the Indian defense industry, they should pick either the Rafale, the Typhoon or the Gripen IN which offer a very good offset clause and have no binding agreements that come with it.

    Coming to repaying America for supporting India for the UNSC permanent seat and for paving the way for the civil nuclear deal, India has already bought more than $10 billion worth of military hardware (and is buying more), India will buy nuclear reactors for power plants again worth many billions of dollars and not to forget, Indian companies are also creating quite a few jobs in America.

    I really don't get why Washington feels for India and America to develop much closer ties, India has to buy billions of dollars worth military hardware from them, settle for barely any ToT and sign those binding agreements which are quite intrusive.

     
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  10. ShUeY

    ShUeY FULL MEMBER

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    If we do get the FA-18 will it be a far more advanced variant? An upgraded one perhaps?
     
  11. Vritra

    Vritra Major ELITE MEMBER

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    It would be the most advanced version of the F/A-18 Super Hornet currently in service with the USN, with provisions for future upgrades, like the upgrades listed on the roadmap Boeing presented at Aero India '11.
    It wouldn't be too heavily customized for the IAF. And it would be utterly pointless without the CISMOA for reasons listed in Dilemma's post.
     
  12. Coltsfan

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    I don't get it, why are the two US aircrafts even in contention for the bid with CISMOA sword dangling overhead.

    God forbid if SH is selected this mess could turn real ugly real fast.
     
  13. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    India will get the F/A-18IN, nothing more than a F/A-18E/F block II (currently the latest version in service with the USN) with some minor modifications link maybe replacing the American data-link with an Indian or an Israeli one and maybe without the critical components if CISMOA isn't signed.

    The Gripen IN would be better than the F/A-18IN without the CISMOA. If you don't get AESA radar, the critical communication equipment and some critical avionics there is no point in buying either the SH or the Super Viper.
     
  14. Paash

    Paash Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Please make it clear

    India has already signed the EUMA (End User Monitoring Agreement) or what is the present position ?
     
  15. duplex

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    Yes it will.. Most of Super Hornet's advanced capabilities have been funded and to a large degree in the Block II+ version ( Australia), delivered...This version has by far the most advance avionics in the world ( except F-22) and with a total of 14 A2A missiles under its wings is undoubtedly the most impressive fighting platform in the world.
    In A2G ,nothing comes close its a common knowledge..
    I can't say anything about CISMOA which is pure politics..Under normal circumstances, it would be absolutely foolish for any airforce to chose Rafale,Typhoon or Saab over the SH Block II version .All the future upgrades are planned and funded. But the best doesn't always win!
     
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