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Osama bin Laden was a prisoner in Abbottabad, Pakistani intelligence officer leaked his information,

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Osama bin Laden was a prisoner in Abbottabad, Pakistani intelligence officer leaked his information, report says

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    PTIInvestigative journalist and author Seymour M Hersh, in his report, says al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden (above) was actually a prisoner in Pakistan's Abbottabad.

    ISLAMABAD: A former Pakistani intelligence officer disclosed the hideout of Osama bin Laden to CIA in exchange for $25 million bounty on the head of the al-Qaida chief, who was living as prisoner under ISI protection in the garrison town of Abbottabad, according to a report.

    "In August 2010 a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer approached Jonathan Bank, then the CIA's station chief at the US embassy in Islamabad. He offered to tell the CIA where to find bin Laden in return for the reward that Washington had offered in 2001," Dawn reported, citing American investigative journalist and author Seymour M Hersh.

    The intelligence official, Hersh said, was a military man who is now living in Washington and working for the CIA as a consultant. "I cannot tell you more about him," he said.


    The US confirmed the information provided by the official and put the compound under satellite surveillance. Americans later informed the ISI which set up a cell in Ghazi, Tarbela, where "one man from the SEALs and two communicators" practised the raid before executing the operation, Hersh said, adding that it was difficult decision but Pakistan was ultimately taken on board and told about the script to kill Osama.

    Hersh said that whatever the Obama administration told about the operation to kill Osama was part of fiction and the real story was totally different.

    "The most blatant lie was that Pakistan's two most senior military leaders — Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani (the-then army chief) and Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha (the-then ISI chief) — were never informed of the US mission," he told Dawn.

    When the Americans contacted the Pakistani government and asked for Osama, the ISI insisted that he be killed and his death should be announced a week after the operation.


    Hersh said the Saudi government also knew about Osama's presence it Abbottabad and had advised the Pakistanis to keep him as a prisoner. "Osama was an ISI prisoner and never moved except under their supervision," he said.

    The Americans were required to say that the al-Qaida chief was found in a mountainous region in the Hindu Kush so that neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan could be blamed for keeping him, Hersh said, adding that the ISI wanted him dead because "they did not want a witness".

    Hersh said President Barack Obama did not consult Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha before releasing the cover story that he shared with his nation in a live broadcast.

    "The cover story trashed Pakistan. It was very embarrassing for them," said Hersh. "Pakistan has a good army, not a bad army, but the cover story made it look bad."


    Hersh also said that Dr Shakil Afridi, the physician now jailed in Peshawar for helping CIA trace down Osama's hideout, was a CIA asset but he did not know about the operation. Afridi was used as a cover to hide the real story, he said.

    Osama was killed in Abbottabad on the night of May 2, 2011, in a covert raid conducted by US navy Seal.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ormation-report-says/articleshow/47231687.cms
     
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  2. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think Troll IDF NewBie

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    Another face saving Kaanspiracy theory for the Pakistanis.
     
  3. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Actually - no.

    He was being kept as a 'state guest' by Pakistanis mainly to 'insure' them against a US backlash for support to Taliban in Afghanistan. The safety of OBL allowed Pakistanis to project themselves as firm supporters of the Taliban and AQ as an extension, allowing Pakistan to continue it's policy of using the world wide network of AQ and financial routes to both fund the Taliban and the training of cadres for Kashmir. (Both were pretty well integrated at the time)

    The Pakistanis expected the US to pull out after a 'victory' over Taliban and installing a Northern Alliance led government. If one would analyse the situation, the Northern Alliance was bereft of it's most charismatic and unifying leader - Ahmed Shah Masood, killed earlier by Taliban. The likelihood of a repeat of situation post fall of the Najibullah government in aftermath of Soviet withdrawal, was very high.

    That US did not withdraw, was a spanner in their planning. India had definitely informed US of presence of OBL in Quetta and then Abbottabad as early as 2004 (Indians had and have a pretty good intelligence of the region and there was extensive cooperation of RAW with CIA in both the run up to and in aftermath of Operation Enduring Freedom).

    That US chose to eliminate OBL when they did, can be purely attributed to the need for Obama to get a 'tangible result' after the failure of his promise to withdraw troops from Afghanistan (in fact he had to 'surge' after he took over).

    It is a false claim that the Pakistanis were not informed. At least, and not limited to, the top hierarchy of PA would have been informed. Hence, the RADARs were off!

    This was under pure US threat to expand their campaign into Pakistan.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Hunt for OBL kept the dollars pouring in for PA as that kept US Army occupied in Afghanistan and that was also one of the reasons for PA to support Taliban. Nearly 100% of truck biz for ferrying fuel and other supplies to Kabul from Karachi is owned by PA generals and their families.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It is also to be noted the working of US DEEP State and pakistani Deep state. Do you think CIA and entire NATO Intelligence Agencies including Israeli MOSSAD were not knowing Osama's whereabouts? US civil democratically elected govt is just a face but it is the deep state which turns the handle in US.

    Osama's whereabouts could have been known to CIA and they along with ISI could have been hiding Osama, so that they can have dollars flowing. Also to be noted is the involvement of WEAPONS producing Companies like LM, Boeing, BAE, etc. And when civil govt got to know this they must have eliminated Osama to earn Brownie points to win electorate.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    RAW tipped CIA about the likely position of OBL. They searched that area based on the inputs of RAW.
     
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  7. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    That is a bit too far fetched. The Indian Intelligence was the best and remains the best in the region even till date. I have given you the exact year of India passing on the location of OBL to US. It featured in some news paper at the time too if I recall correctly, but guess I will really have to search the archives for it. Not wasting my time on it.

    No, CIA was not aware of OBL being in exact location - and I very much doubt about Mossad in this too. Please understand that the vast majority of Afghanistan is mountainous and it is so sparsely populated that the country can actually hide a single man with adequate supplies indefinitely. This was what even CIA thought.

    I gave very clearly the rationale for Pakistanis to hide OBL. A leverage - please remember his lineage (OBL's) and the family hold in Saudi Arabia and convergence of OBL's views with those of the hardliners in his country. There was more cash flow to Pakistan through these routes than what even US could give (although military tech was the aim for toeing US lines; but then the US dependency on Pakistan for lines of communications is also another factor). That is the hard fact.

    Pakistan played the fence sitter, and ably used it's hold over both sides to maximise profit. The Saudis are also in cahoots over this, as at the end, it is the game of Sunni dominance in a region where Sunni-Shia rift is not deep and where Iran is sharing a border.

    And once US knew, it was the question of coercing Pakistanis to toe their line. This, you read with the sudden change in Pakistani position from 2003 on (post Op Parakaram) as also the upswing in Indo-US relationships.

    Also, collate the same with the documented shift towards China of Pakistan in the same period.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yes RAW was tracking Osama from the very start of Afghan war. Pakistan (ISI) had requested to US that it had a few of its officer (about 300) stuck and had pleaded to evacuate them and it was during this many Taliban top leaders and OSAMA was evacuated and RAW had tracked and informed them at that time too. India actually opposed the move of evacuation of ISI officers who were stuck in Afghanistan. But it seems CIA and ISI had their plans chalked out and Bush was made a JACKASS.
     
  9. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Are you sure that RADARs were off, or they were pointing toward wrong direction, in the same way how Iraq's Radar stationed around its Nuclear installation was fooled by the Israeli F-16 and attacked from the Saudi Arabia's direction. BTW does US knew the Air Defence of Pakistan too well, and the operating frequency of the U.S supplied Radars and sensors.
     
  10. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    US knows an aircraft's tail number and squadron too 100 nm off :D

    IN IL38 took off from Goa. Approaching the US CBG around 200 nm off a pair of F18s screening it identified the aircraft 50 nm away from it and told it to proceed on bearing ... which was for its home base.

    IL ignored it and kept mum. They identified the aircraft again and told it to head back to home location .. by name of place.

    This as told by IN officer :)
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Can you repeat the question pls ??
     
  12. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    There are two, neither answered by me :D

    Just an indication of the level of intelligence available with US and their SIGINT/ELINT capabilities.

    Anyways, their Radar system was off, Radars can not point in another direction can they? And neither was a feint being played out.
     
  13. The BrOkEn HeArT

    The BrOkEn HeArT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Kitne jhooth bolege ye log?? Ufffff

    On the other hand half of brainwashed Pakistan think that there was no Osama in Pakistan. :lol:
     
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    Zen0 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Lol ya he was kept a "prisoner" in a bungalow with his multiple wives .
     
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