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Overpriced C-17 Globemasters of Indian Air Force

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  1. abhitej

    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Few years back India purchased 10 C-17 for USD 4.1 billion with unit price of USD 410 million per plane from Boeing. US Air Force purchased 200 C-17 for unit price in range of USD 175-225 million per plane. In Feb 2015 UAE purchased 2 planes at unit cost of USD 310 million per plane. We are the only suckers who buy planes at such high price. Had the government spent USD 4.1 billion in building roads at our border we would not have needed these planes.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The price is highly dependant of what you want with the planes.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Are you sure that US Air force price are with motor? because for the F-35 the price is without motor.
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What motor. Are you talking about jet engine. How can anyone price an airplane without an engine.
     
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    tusharm Captain FULL MEMBER

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    It happens only in US.

    The price of 130-140 million $$$ or sometimes projected price of 100m $$$ in 2018-20 are all without engines.
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Got this info about price breakup from some defence website.

    In 2012, the unit cost of a C-17 was $225 million. The airframe cost $178.56 million, the four F117-PW-100 engines cost $39 million ($9.75 million each), and the avionics cost $7.44 million.
     
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    India to buy C-17 transport aircraft from US in biggest-ever defence deal
    India | Press Trust of India | Updated: June 06, 2011 20:52 IST

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    New Delhi: The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) today cleared a proposal to buy from the United States ten C-17 heavy-lift military aircraft worth USD 4.1 billion, the biggest-ever defence deal to be entered between the two countries.

    "The CCS meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh cleared the proposal for purchase of the planes from the US through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route," Defence Ministry officials said here.

    Under the deal, the US defence major Boeing, the manufacturer of the aircraft, will have to invest 30 per cent of the contract amount for setting up defence facilities in India, they said.

    As per the procurement procedure, offsets clause entails that a vendor winning a defence deal worth over Rs. 300 crore has to reinvest at least 30 per cent of the deal amount in Indian defence, homeland security or civilian aerospace sectors.

    The deal, which amounts to over Rs. 18,000 crore, would be the biggest-ever defence contract to be entered with the US.

    Prior to this, the biggest deal with the US was worth USD 2.1 billion for procurement of eight P-8I maritime surveillance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft from Boeing through direct commercial sales in 2009.

    Boeing, along with another US company Lockheed Martin, had recently failed to qualify in a bid for procurement of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF), which had upset the Americans. The MMRCAs are likely to cost India over USD 11 billion.

    Washington had, however then said that strategic ties with India would not be overshadowed by exclusion of the two American companies from the Indian fighter contract and the bilateral defence dialogue between the two nations would work on enhancing cooperation in cutting-edge technology.

    India is planning to procure the aircraft for augmenting its fleet, which now comprises Russian-made transport aircraft Ilyushin-76 and Antonov-32.

    After finalising the initial deal for 10 aircraft, the IAF is also planning to place orders for additional six C-17s.

    The C-17 will be the second American airlifter in the IAF transport fleet, which recently inducted the C-130 J Super Hercules.

    The four-engine C-17 aircraft can lift two T-90 tanks and artillery guns and are used for rapid strategic airlift of troops and cargo to operating bases throughout the world. It can also perform tactical airlift, medical evacuation and airdrop missions.

    The aircraft has the capacity to carry over 130 fully-equipped combat ready troops.

    However, the aircraft would come with some important communication equipment in absence of the contentious Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) with the US.

    In the recent past, India had finalised defence deals worth over USD 8 billion, including the C-130J, C-17, P-8I and Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Several more multi-billion-dollar deals are in the pipeline for being cleared in the near future.
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    Story First Published: June 06, 2011 18:49 IST
     
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    Indian Air Force[edit]
    In June 2009, the Indian Air Force (IAF) selected the C-17 for its Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft requirement, it is to replace several types of transport aircraft.[120][121] In January 2010, India requested 10 C-17s through the U.S.'s Foreign Military Sales program,[122] the sale was approved by Congress in June 2010.[123] On 23 June 2010, the Indian Air Force successfully test-landed a USAF C-17 at the Gaggal Airport, India to complete the IAF's C-17 trials.[124] In February 2011, the IAF and Boeing agreed terms for the order of 10 C-17s[125] with an option for six more; the US$4.1 billion order was approved by the Indian Cabinet Committee on Security on 6 June 2011.[126][127] Deliveries began in June 2013 and are to continue until 2014.[128][129] In 2012, the IAF reportedly finalized plans to buy six more C-17s in the 13th five-year plan (2017–2022).[130][131] The IAF is the second-largest C-17 operator.[121]
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    The IAF's first C-17, 2013
    The aircraft provides strategic airlift and the ability to deploy special forces, such as during national emergencies.[132] They are operated in diverse terrain – from Himalayan air bases in North India at 13,000 ft (4,000 m) to Indian Ocean bases in South India.[133] The C-17s are based at Hindon Air Force Station and are operated by the No. 81 Squadron Skylords.[134][135] The first C-17 was delivered in January 2013 for testing and training;[136] it was officially accepted on 11 June 2013.[137] The second C-17 was delivered on 23 July 2013 and put into service immediately. IAF Chief of Air Staff Norman AK Browne called the Globemaster III "a major component in the IAF's modernization drive" while taking delivery of the aircraft at Boeing's Long Beach factory.[138] On 2 September 2013, the Skylords squadron with three C-17s officially entered IAF service.[139]
    The Skylords regularly fly missions within India, such as to high-altitude bases at Leh and Thoise. The IAF first used the C-17 to transport an infantry battalion's equipment to Port Blair on Andaman Islands on 1 July 2013.[140][141] Foreign deployments to date include Tajikistan in August 2013, and Rwanda to support Indian peacekeepers.[131] One C-17 was used for transporting relief materials during Cyclone Phailin.[142] The fifth aircraft was received in November 2013.[143] The sixth aircraft was received in July 2014.[144]
     
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    Price ended up 5.1 billion
     
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    How do you know it is USD 5.1 billion. Anyways these are things of past. We have a smart defense minister now. Already cancelled M777 howitzers because of price. India bought Spike ATGM instead of Javelin as US refused TOT. Apache & Chinook helicopter deal on hold due to price issue. Not a single new deal for American weapons in pipeline, only cancellations of earlier deals since new government came to power.
     
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    what about the infra +spares+ training+ extra engines +etc +etc.....:hitwall:

    the rafale deal has been also declared as over priced as no 1 is adding the cost of infra +spares+ training+ etc +etc:facepalm:
     
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    Chinese give one plane free for 2:troll:
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    At most unit cost is USD 250 million. What infra do you need for a plane that you bought in flyway condition from US. One engine cost USD 10 million. How much will training to fly a transport plane cost. If you need spares worth USD 160 million to fly a plane, why buy that plane.
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    We do not need discounts to buy planes. All we want is a fair price. Selling a plane of India for USD 410 million and later selling the same to UAE at USD 310 million is unfair. India has the second biggest fleet of C-17. No NATO nation except US has resources to buy so many planes. BAE overpriced M777 howitzers and we cancelled the deal. Now it is begging Indian govt to set up a plant in India with private player and supply the same howitzers. Boeing plant for C-17 has shut down for lack of orders. Maybe in future Boeing will move manufacturing plant for C-17 from US to India if we give a big order. India need not beg for discount to other countries. By 2020 we will be the third largest economy with defence budget in excess of USD 100 billion. UK, Germany & France do not have money even to maintain an airforce of 200-300 planes. Even US has put 2 squadrons of C-17 in reserves as it does not have money to fly them.
     
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    Little more complicated then that, congress has been buying more of them then the military wanted.
     
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