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PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

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    Russian PAK FA to get newly-designed engine
    29 November 2016 NIKOLAY LITOVKIN, RIR

    The first ground-based ignition for the second stage of the engine for the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA T-50 aircraft) has been successfully conducted by United Engine Corporation (UEC), a part of Rostec state holding company.


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    A T-50 fighter jet during the Russian stage of the Aviadarts 2016 international flight skills competition at Chauda testing center of the Russian Air Force outside Feodosia.

    The United Engine Corporation (UEC) has successfully conducted the first ground-based ignition of the second stage of the engine for the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA T-50 aircraft). The UEC is part of the Rostec state holding company.

    Gas generators had to be prepared for the testing, along with the demonstrator engine.

    What is the PAK FA flying with now?

    The PAK FA is currently using a first stage engine, a modernized Al-41.

    Pavel Bulat, avionics specialist and head of the Kupol Group of Companies, said the AI-41 is an updated version of the engines used for the Su-27, Su-30 and other models in that series.

    “The engine for the T-50 was significantly upgraded from the original models, incorporating the latest control system, compressors, and so on. Nevertheless, it still falls short of the 5th generation model, and is very noticeable on radar screens,” said the expert.


    The new second-stage engine is one of the most advanced in the world, said Bulat. It enables the T-50 to accelerate to supersonic speed, and maintain that velocity throughout the flight, without using afterburners.

    “The speed will be as much as Mach 1.6 (about 1,200 mph), depending on the terrain over which the flight is taking place. The engine will also significantly improve the stealth properties of the PAK FA, thanks to the use of new composite materials,” said Bulat.

    The designers expect to start testing the new engine on fighter jets in 2018, and for the motor to be fully integrated in 2020.

    “In addition to the engine, the radar station also needs to be modified, and engineers need to remove the last deficiencies in the airframe concept, which, among all the aircraft flying today, is the most modern in the world,” said the analyst.

    New fighter's weapons

    30-mm cannon

    The firing unit comprises of the 9-A1-4071K, one of the lightest cannon in its class, which is designed to destroy armoured vehicles or armoured enemy targets. During one flight, the pilot can shoot 150 rounds from the 30-mm cannon.The new weapon is a modified single-barrel GSh-301 aircraft cannon, used in Russian fighters and bombers.


    Aircraft bombs

    The future T-50 5th generation fighter will also carry high-explosive and volume-detonating bombs, Sergey Rusakov, General Director of the Techmash Group, stated on September 22.

    Rusakov said they were considering high-explosive incendiary OFZAB-500 aviation bombs for the PAK FA, and volume-detonating ODAB-500PMV, currently being used in Russian operations in Syria. Engineers have already produced a set of warheads for future tests.


    According to the rearmament programme, Russian Armed Forces will receive a batch of 12 T-50 fighters before the end of this year. A new contract for the supply of 5th generation aircraft will be discussed with the Ministry of Defence at the end of 2016, after which the War Department will decide how many new aircraft are needed.
     
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    So when are we going to agree everything and at what point in the future are we planning on starting PAK FA production; or is this agreement not as likely anymore?
     
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    Maybe next year.

    2024 or 2025.

    It has to go through. What's the alternative?

    F-35 is a strike fighter. It cannot replace the Su-30MKI for the same reason why it cannot replace the F-15.
     
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    Thanks for the answers Gessler!

    The last point I made was because there seems to be an inordinate delay in agreeing a deal and there have, in the past, been a lot of reports saying the deal may be off for various reasons like the IAF having issues with the plane (or HAL having issues with workshare) and then on top of all that Russia's cut their order down to like 12 planes.

    I personally would like for us to resolve all these issues and start PAK FA production asap. And more than anything, I hope India dodges the F-35 bullet. The only American stealth fighter worth buying is the F-22 which was never for foreign sale and isn't even in production anymore.
     
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    You can make AMCA with Dassault.
     
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    Welcome, mate.

    AFAIK, the engine is the issue. We are waiting on the Russians to generate some factual know-how about the Izdeliye-30 before jumping in on it. This powerplant is a generation leap in turbofan technology compared to anything IAF operates or plans to operate in the near future. As such, it will be the basis of a considerable portion of the joint investment opportunities for purchase/production.

    As per Saurav Jha, the Izd-30 has begun bench-testing this year and this process & further prototype development will continue for atleast another 10 months. At that time, we will get to know hands-on exactly what it is we are dealing with and hopefully, that information will be enough to commit fully to the PMF/FGFA program - especially with regard to finance.

    Yeah they're all just baseless rumors, and sometimes wishful thinking on the writer/commentator's part.

    It's only the first batch. Articles tend to highlight the numbers to grab eyeballs, but they fail to realize that batch-orders depend on payments in each Financial Year (Russian). If they think 12 units are enough under LRIP (just so as to kick-start the production line), then they'll only order 12 airframes this FY and another batch will be financed in the next FY.

    Just like us, Russia too doesn't have an alternative to the PAK-FA. They have hundreds of old Su-27s to retire and as advanced as it may be, the Su-35 is still only a Flanker iteration. T-50 is a very important program within Russian air force budgets (although some hefty amounts have been spent on interim purchases like Su-35 and Su-30SM. After PAK-FA enters full-rate production, I wonder if KnAAPO will stop all Su-35 production for RuAF, only the Chinese orders will be delivered. What do you think @randomradio ).

    F-35 has potential but not as a replacement to PAK-FA, but as a complimentary element. Just like F-22/F-35 combination in USAF. That, and Naval applications.

    Now the question arises, is F-35 necessary? Can Rafale & it's upgrades (together with AMCA/LSA) do just as fine or even better? I don't see us buying the F-35 unless the requirement comes overbearingly from the Navy (for a post-2030 carrier/operation from LHDs) and even then it might take some arm-twisting from US Gov. to carry it through, like tying in the JSF with EMALS, Hawkeye etc.
     
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    If planned properly, maybe Israel can be a good partner for development of the AMCA.

     
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