PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

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    If PAK FA program is successful, then yes, Russia will stop ordering more Su-35s. If PAK FA is even slightly delayed, then there is potential for a third order of 50 Su-35s. Overall, Russia will operate more Flankers than India ever will.

    The Russians expect to start operating the PAK FA from 2021.

    But the thing about Russia is they can increase production to insane numbers. They can have all 50 Su-35s delivered in just a year or two and then place another set of orders. So you never know. Take the Su-30SM for example, the numbers ordered have already exceeded the Su-35.
     
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    I'm sure France and India can think of better things to do. With AMCA, you will have to deal with HAL again, good luck.

    We already have a JV with Russia for a 5th gen aircraft. I would prefer we start working towards better stuff for the future with France.

    That's too pretty.

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    Much better.
     
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    Please don't post made up news with wrong titles.
     
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    Sorry. I will remove it
     
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    This can be pursued anyway, the AMCA and FGFA will be complimentary assets.
     
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    Says who? AMCA is a ADA project, there is no certainty they will be using HAL as the lead partners/production agency. Already in LCA the ADA is bringing in more and more private sector partners, there is no reason why, a decade or so down the line, they won't have further increased such efforts.
     
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    HAL is the production partner for ADA. HAL will be the lead integrator. The subcontractors will mostly be private companies.

    You may not have noticed, but the program itself is called HAL AMCA, like Lockheed Martin F-35 or Boeing F-15.
     
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    Can somebody Spot anything new here ?:azn:
     
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    Engines are now covered. Earlier engines were open and were a sore to eyes. This will reduce RCS of plane further. Finally with item30 they will use elliptical nozzle ala f-22. Which will complete the development of airframe.
     
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    Delhi Wants to Ascertain Production, Export Right of Russia-India FGFA Project

    New Delhi (Sputnik) — India and Russia are expected to sign the detailed design and development contract of Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in the next two to three months. This will enable Moscow to retain its position as the prime supplier of Indian Air Force's fighting strength.

    India has signaled that negotiations on R&D are almost final except for some issues related to rights over export to third countries. "Secondary round i.e. R & D round is almost finalized except some issues related to the future of the aircraft. Because, when R&D phase will get over and you are not able to produce and sell, what is the point in developing? Whether we will have right to produce because there will be some IPRs over which Russia will have claimed. All these important aspects are being clarified properly," says Manohar Parrikar, India's Defense Minister in New Delhi.

    Sources told Sputnik that a Russian delegation is arriving in New Delhi in the next few weeks to discuss all these aspects. The Indian government feels that before embarking on commercial production, every issue needs to be sorted out such as the aircraft's stealth capabilities or the right to export right. Parrikar said two to three months does not hold much importance for the project with a time frame of 10-15 years. Currently, both the countries are not discussing the number of aircraft to be produced under the project.

    "We are trying to ascertain quantum of stealth, transfer of technology and whether we will be able to manufacture and sell jointly. All these aspects are being discussed because when we invest huge money ($5-6 billion) you are commercially not only producing for ourselves but considering exports as well. Secondly, stealth aspects should also be in conformity. So all these technical aspects are being looked into before going forward," Parrikar said.

    The Russian-Indian FGFA has stealth capabilities and is based on the Russian T-50 prototype jet. The FGFA project came about following the signing of a Russian-Indian cooperation agreement on October 18, 2007. Both the countries signed the primary contract in December 2010. India has spent $242 million on the primary contract.

    The Indian Air Force has proposed building an indigenous FGFA called the Advanced Medium Combat Stealth Aircraft (AMCSA), but it still remains at the conceptual stage. Sweden's SAAB has offered to help in the development of AMCSA but the Indian establishment is yet to respond. Meanwhile, China exhibited its fifth generation stealth fighter aircraft J-20 in November this year. The J-20 is expected to provide long range, hard-to-detect strike capacity to the PLA Air Force from 2018 onwards.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201701041049247669-india-russia-fgfa-project/
     

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