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PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    058 new pic

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    Lion of Rajputana Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Can't wait to see this sexy thing in IAF colors. We should definitely station a squadron or two of these in one of those alleged, covert Central Asian air bases we have.
     
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    PAK-FA cobra maneuver and slow speed 360 turns... Watch from 1.03.
    Awesome moves.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Russia's New PAK-FA Stealth Fighter Has A Big Problem
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    Dave Majumdar
    March 10, 2017

    Russia’s Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter program has suffered another delay. Testing of the of the powerful new jet’s second stage engine, which was supposed to start later this year, has been pushed back to 2018.

    "At the moment, works are being carried out within the framework of contacts with the Russian Defense Ministry,” United Aircraft Corporation, Sergei Korotkov told the TASS news agency. “Flight tests are underway. We plan to enter the second stage of trials next year."

    The new engine was expected to make its first flight installed onboard the PAK-FA in the fourth quarter of 2017. "The first flight of the aircraft with the new engine is expected in the fourth quarter of 2017," a United Engine Corporation spokesman told TASS earlier in the year.

    The next-generation Saturn izdeliye 30—sometime referred to as the izdeliye 129—are the engines for the T-50. There are few details available about the izdeliye 30 engines, but the new powerplant is expected to deliver 24,054lbs dry thrust and 39,566lbs of afterburning thrust.

    With the new engine installed, the PAK-FA should be able to offer kinematic performance comparable to the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor—cruising without afterburner at speeds exceeding Mach 1.5 with a maximum speed greater than Mach 2.0 at altitudes of around 60,000ft. “Performance-wise it certainly looks to compete with the Raptor,” one senior military official with extensive experience on U.S. fifth-generation fighters told me some time ago.

    Overall, while the Russians place less emphasis on stealth while focusing more on maneuverability and raw kinematic performance, the new Sukhoi-built jet appears to have a comprehensive suite of avionics. “The analysis that I have seen on the PAK-FA indicates a pretty sophisticated design that is at least equal to, and some have said even superior to U.S. fifth-generation aircraft,” former U.S. Air Force intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula told me a few years ago. “It certainly has greater agility with its combination of thrust vectoring, all moving tail surfaces, and excellent aerodynamic design, than does the F-35.”


    But while the Russians have developed active electronically scanned array(AESA) radars, infrared sensors and excellent electronic warfare systems, one of the big questions that remain is how well the Russians have integrated the jets’ avionics. It took the United States decades of effort and billions of dollars to develop the complex integrated avionics suite and sophisticated pilot vehicle interfaces that make the Raptor the fearsome weapon that it is.

    Ultimately, the Russians will probably be able to resolve technical glitches with the PAK-FA and field a capable operational aircraft. There is little doubt about that. The real question is when that will happen and how many jets the Kremlin can afford to buy.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.

    Image Credit: Creative Commons.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-pak-fa-stealth-fighter-has-big-problem-19734

     
  5. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    LOL you are going to quote Dave Majumdar? He is the guy who is/was all for F-16 block 60 and F/A-18 for MRCA even after it did not make it to final two in terms of capabilities.
    Right now we have American media misreporting the Russians and vice versa.

     
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    Full tech transfer could derail Indo-Russian fifth-gen fighter program
    By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, March 16, 2017 (Photo Credit: Dmitry Kostyukov/AFP via Getty Images)


    NEW DELHI — The Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighter aircraft under joint development and production by the two countries has taken a hit, with Russia showing reluctance to fully transfer the aircraft technology, particularly stealth capabilities, despite repeated reminders, according to a top Indian Air Force official.

    After the preliminary agreement on the particulars of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) program in 2010, and with both sides having paid $295 million each, the final agreement that enables India to release more than $4 billion, is pending.

    The Air Force has worked out its requirements for the FGFA, but the crucial "work sharing and technology sharing draft has yet to be finalized," the IAF official said.

    "The project is likely to get delayed further unless the issue of transfer of technology is finalized," offered Daljit Singh, a defense analyst and retired Indian Air Force air marshal. India should insist on technology transfer in specified fields, he added, as "full technology transfer may not be feasible."
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    Another retiree from the Air Force agreed. "Full technology transfer is not possible since the aviation industrial base in India is not at par with that in Russia," said Vijainder K Thakur, a defense analyst and former squadron leader.

    An Indian Ministry of Defence official said the FGFA would be a joint project and that all technologies should be worked on together. The official would not provide further information.

    Konstantin Makienko, the deputy director at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, said: "The joint project means that the both sides develop the technologies together and become equal owners of them. Therefore it is not about the technology transfer but a joint use of them."

    The Air Force is insisting that an agreement for joint development of the FGFA be reached at the earliest, lest the production of the aircraft be delayed. Any delay "would have serious cascading effect on production of the aircraft for India," Singh said.

    India has a requirement for 120-130 of such swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness, the Air Force official noted, adding that "the ability to supercruise or sustain supersonic speeds in combat configuration without kicking in fuel-guzzling afterburners is a key Indian requirement."
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    For the most part, officials and analysts share a common view that a delay the final FGFA agreement is unlikely to shelve the entire program.

    "It's unlikely that an in-principle agreement between Russian and Indian heads of government would be shelved. If India is unhappy with the extent of technology transfer, it would likely resort to a straightforward, albeit limited, buy, as happened in the case of the Rafale deal [with France]. Doors would be kept open for enhancing the scope of the deal at a later date," Thakur said.

    The Air Force official pointed out that India has worked out operational needs for the FGFA, which the service says could differ from those of the Russians in some aspects. Russia has already moved ahead with its own research and development of the FGFA.

    Russia is doing very well with its version of the FGFA, which is called the T-50. The first flight of the T-50 took place in 2010.

    In addition, Russia said it will fly the T-50 with the Product 30 engine, giving it Mach 1.5 supercruise, by 2020.

    The Indian Air Force wants technology transfer for the FGFA from Russia because it is facing difficulties in the Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKI aircraft due to no availability of spares and technology transfer. India has contracted 272 Su-30MKI aircraft and is license producing the same at state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited facilities.

    http://www.defensenews.com/articles...derail-indo-russian-fifth-gen-fighter-program
     
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    India can not afford further delay in this project specially when MMRCA is 20 % completed even after 12 yrs neither Russia is bound to oblige too much of technology sharing. China having tested 5th generation prototypes already India it seems is going to fall behind by at least 10 yrs in this project too exactly like MMRCA
     
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    Can someone confirm this.

    I just heard from someone that Indian pilots are being trained to fly su pakfa. They are flying sorties from last quarter of 2016.
     
  10. Averageamerican

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    Russia has likely reduced the size its planned order for PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jets to 12 jets from a planned 52.[v] The fighters are due to begin entering serial production in 2017 or 2018. And the military might field only 70 to 100 T-14 main battle tanks by 2020,[vi] as opposed to a planned 2,300 tanks.
    Russia Contemplates Large Defense Budget Cut
    (Source: Forecast International; posted Nov 07, 2016)
    by Derek Bisaccio

    Citing a draft budget document released by business daily Kommersant, a number of Russian news outlets have reported that Russia is considering cutting close to a third of its defense expenditures for 2017. http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...80/russia-mulls-30-cut-to-defense-budget.html

    RUSSIA IS KAPUT
     
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    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    Too early to write their epitaph.Better opponents than you have tried to do the same with opposite results .
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Since 2008 India has sunk 5 billion into the PAKFA, and slated to put that much more into the program at the same time Russia is saying they are cutting it back. This is a bad as 240 million dollar Rafales .
     
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    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    If I'm not mistaken , all India has committed as of now is 250 million USD.The contract is yet to be inked by us.
     
  14. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Last I heard it is was one billion down and half billion each year for the next six years on signing.
     
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    "On signing ".....

    Apart from the initial 250 million USD , nothing's been committed as on date .
     
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