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PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Please see my earlier post, IAF pilots are being trained to fly su pakfa from last quarter of 2016.
     
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    I did not find your post ; Is it in this thread or some other thread
     
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    The enlightened 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    You completely missed the point.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Yes i did understood your point, but how much can a Stealth development go far... RAM is already having big issues with servicing and Hazard. How much more can Stealth developments go for Radar cant catch up. Yes it is potent today and may be so for next decade but after that...

    As a part of humor no offence Klingon's won't give cloak.
     
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    The enlightened 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The comparison isn't between VLO and radar but between VLO and non VLO.
     
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    Stealth plus electronic war fare will most likely trump air defenses. Theres going to be a limit to how many installations that can be defended.
     
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    Well my question was will the Radar catch up. Yes almost all Non VLO's are done. May be in a decade or couple of decades. Most nations are moving to Stealth. But how good the Stealth is going to be for the future.
     
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    There are already radars that can detect stealth at great distances. E-2D, AMDR for example. We have the Russian and Chinese claims as well.
     
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    SOURCE..
     
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    Russia conducting munitions tests for T-50 aircraft
    Published April 20, 2017
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    Russia began testing the weapons for its 5th-generation stealth fighter with plans to complete the trials in 2017, according to state media reports.

    The Sukhoi T-50 aircraft, also referred to as the PAK FA, is being designed to have similar capabilities as the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. The F-22 is also marketed as a 5th-generation stealth platform.

    Oleg Chizhevsky, the vice president of Russia’s research and industrial association NPO Pribor, told the TASS news agency to expect the munitions tests to be completed quickly.

    “We hope that the official munitions tests for the T-50’s cannon will be successfully completed this year,” he said.

    Once the project is completed, Russia will effectively break the monopoly on 5th-generation fighters held by the United States with the F-22. The Pentagon is also finalizing development for its second 5th-generation fighter, the F-35 Lightning II.

    The F-35A variant, operated by the U.S. Air Force, recently departed for the craft’s first operational deployment to Europe.

    The Kremlin plans to present five operational PAK FA fighters at some point in 2017.
     
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    Russia seldom does any thing revolutionary in new designs,, usually they just upgrade previous models and steal what ever they can from the west. Russia just no longer has either expertise, most of which has moved to the west for better pay, nor does Russia have the budget to do much research, 30 percent cut in last two years, nor the manufacturing capacity produce planes quickly.
     
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    Russia Ditches Plans for Super Advanced 5th Generation Fighter Jets
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    The Russian military is scaling back initial requirements for the fifth generation T-50 (PAK FA) fighters to twelve planes, after initially planning for fifty-two. Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that this was due to economic considerations.

    However, Borisov noted that the Defense Ministry reserves the right to determine the number of fifth generation fighters for purchase, so the initial plans may be corrected.

    “It would be better for us to have a reserve of PAK-FA and the possibility to move ahead in the future to using the 4+ fighters’ [Su-30 and Su-35] capabilities to the maximum,” Borisov said. In other words, Russia would make the most of its existing Sukhoi Su-35 capabilities, which are highly rated by experts. The United States is currently the only country with an Air Force that includes a fully operational fifth generation jet fighter, the F-22.

    Production of the T-50 series will go ahead in 2016 regardless of any reduction in orders. During a visit to the plant where the planes were being constructed, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the Russian Far East, Borisov said, “according to the next year plans, we should have the first delivery of the series fifth-generation fighters.”

    The T-50 will be a stealth aircraft, invisible to radars. It has several advantages over the F-22: “the T-50 is significantly faster than the F-22, and has a huge advantage in terms of range—5,500 kilometers compared to the F-22’s 3,400. The T-50’s detection systems allow it to spot incoming threats at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, compared to the F-22’s 210 kilometers.” However, Russia’s fifth generation air fleet will be at a numerical disadvantage, as the U.S. Air Force inventory of F-22s is 187.

    India is also interested in the T-50, a fact that may help boost purchases. However, India wants to localize production of its T-50s “much like another Russian-designed fighter, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI, which has been in series production for more than a decade at the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) plant in Nasik.”


    India is frustrated at delays in its negotiations with the French company Dassault over the contract for the Rafale fighter aircraft.


    Then they changed their mind.

    April 19/17: Russia has commenced weapon testing trials [​IMG] [​IMG] on the T-50/PAK-FA fifth-generation stealth fighter cannons, with plans to have the trials completed later this year. Designed to have similar capabilities to the Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin’s fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, Moscow, with the T-50, hopes to break the US-held monopoly on fifth-generation fighters, as Washington finalizes development on its second, the long-delayed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Five T-50s are expected to be operational by the end of 2017.
     
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    Russia’s Bold Move to Save Its Stealth Fighter Deal
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    Russian and Indian negotiators have bargained down the price for the Indo-Russian Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA)—which is being developed from the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA. The two sides have agreed to cut the price of the development from $12 billion to roughly $8 billion, saving the joint project from cancellation.

    Under the new deal—which still has to be approved by the Indian defense minister Manohar Parrikar and an Indian defense ministry cost negotiation committee—the Indians will pay $4 billion for a joint research and development effort, the Business Standard reports. The Russians would also pay $4 billion for their share of the proje
    Under the terms of the new deal, eleven FGFA prototypes would be built. Of those, eight would be versions of the PAK-FA for the Russian air force while three would be Indian FGFAs. A prototype would be flown in India within three years. The development program would upgrade fifty specific aspects of the PAK-FA design including more powerful engines and 360-degree sensor coverage to meet Indian requirements.

    Assuming the deal holds, India could eventually buy up to 250 FGFA fighters for its tactical fighter fleet. But over the past two years, the Indian Air Force has been vocally critical of the FGFA program. Those complaints ranged from inadequate access to the FGFA’s technology and lack of participation in the design phase to the jet’s high price tag. The Indian Air Force also complained about the engines, radar and Russian stealth technology—among myriad other problems. Paradoxically, however, the Indian Air Force said it was prepared to buy the original Russian PAK-FA off-the-shelf.

    Russia may have saved the FGFA project with this renegotiated deal with the Indians. However, it remains unclear if Russia has the financial wherewithal to pay for the development of the PAK-FA and to put it into production. Production numbers for the initial variant powered by the current Saturn AL-41F1 have been cut to only about a dozen until the new izdeliye thirty engine is ready. That defers the procurement cost of the new jets until Russia’s economy is in better shape.

    Once it completes development, the PAK-FA is expected to be a formidable opponent. “The analysis that I have seen on the PAK-FA indicates a pretty sophisticated design that is at least equal to, and some have said even superior to U.S. fifth-generation aircraft,” former U.S. Air Force intelligence chief and F-15 Weapons School graduate Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula told me some time ago. “It certainly has greater agility with its combination of thrust vectoring, all moving tail surfaces, and excellent aerodynamic design, than does the F-35.”


    Many senior U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps aviators share Deptula’s opinion. Which means that while the United States still has an advantage with its tiny 186-strong fleet of Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors, the Pentagon needs to continue investing in next generation warplanes. The U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy have already started preliminary work of the F-X and F/A-XX programs to replace the F-22 Raptor and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet respectively. But in order to ensure air superiority into the future, those efforts must not be short changed.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for the National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.

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    https://news.usni.org/2014/06/09/u-s-navys-secret-counter-stealth-weapon-hiding-plain-sight

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    Without stealth advantage, F-35 is a junk at $ 500 millions per unit.
     
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