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PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Butter Chicken

    Butter Chicken Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Technology transfer,Work share,export rights.
     
  2. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    India is pushing full steam ahead on its plan to build an indigenous stealth fighter plane amid an uncertainty surrounding the proposed India-Russian fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), a top government official said on Friday.

    While the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) is still on the drawing board, doubts over the multi-billion dollar programme to develop the stealth fighter with the Russians appears to have lent fresh urgency to the AMCA project. Only the US, Russia and China have such programmes.

    The first prototype could be built in 10 to 12 years if all goes according to the Aeronautical Development Agency’s plan, government sources said.

    “If the FGFA project doesn’t work out for some reason, the AMCA could be a good alternative. However, that would be a long term plan as production will begin only around 2035-37,” a senior Indian Air Force (IAF) officer said.

    A three-member government committee is all set to submit its report on the viability of the FGFA programme. The panel was set up 3 months ago.


    India plans to cooperate with foreign military contractors on the AMCA project but no decision has been taken so far. European and American firms have offered technical consultancy for the stealth fighter programme.

    Sources said India has also conveyed to Russia that the FGFA project should bring in technology that benefits the proposed Indian programme.

    The sources said ADA was in discussions with companies such as Dassault Aviation and Boeing for the project but it would be premature to comment on who the foreign collaborator could be.

    “It’s too early to even speculate about that as we have not even tested the AMCA airframe. That’s still around a year away. So all options are open,” the sources said.

    The IAF has 33 fighter squadrons compared to an optimum strength of 42. It is hoping to beef up its combat potential with the induction of the Tejas light combat aircraft, more Sukhoi-30s, Rafale jets, the FGFA and a medium-weight fighter that could be built in India in collaboration with a foreign vendor.

    http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...ahead-on-stealth-fighter-plane-project-262141


    lol.....10-12 years to create a prototype and then another 20 years for FOC :p :p
     
  3. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Oops!, It's a duck :agree:
     
  4. Bregs

    Bregs 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Arey bhaiya Russia se le de ke FGFA ready kar lo, kindly don't make tejas out of AMCA
     
  5. Luttapi

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    Russia just found a new partner for 5th generation aircraft. UAE. No need to transfer technology. Just provide the money for development.
     
  6. Gessler

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Duck would be the Su-25 -

    [​IMG]

    Chubby, Stubby and the most ugly-cute aircraft that I know! :angel:
     
  7. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    It's a ugly but power-packed frogfoot
     
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    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Russia collaborated with UAE for the development of a new medium weight FIFTH GENERATION jets based on Mig-35. It can be compared with AMCA but not with FGFA
     
  9. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Dost, "der se aao Lekin durust aao."
    Capability wise TEJAS is nowhere stands in front of AMCA.
     
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  10. Shekhar Singh

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    It's Hindustan times article. First prototype will come after 12 years told by govt officer not associated with ADA. 2035 deadline given by Senior Airforce officer. None of them are associated with AMCA development.
     
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    Indo-Russian project to develop aircraft hits roadblock over price, technology
    The Indo-Russian project is believed to have been shelved due to differences in pricing and technology. Indian analysts are not happy with the technology used in the multi-role aircrafts.


    Ajit Kumar Dubey | Posted by Ashna Kumar
    New Delhi, May 21, 2017 | UPDATED 08:32 IST


    An ambitious Indo-Russian project to co-develop fifth generation fighter planes has hit major roadblocks over the issues of price and technology even as New Delhi has scrapped a programme to jointly produce multirole transport aircraft with Moscow over similar issues.

    India and Russia had signed an agreement around 2007 to co-develop both the transport plane and the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) as part of their attempt to pool in resources to develop latest and advanced variants of the aircraft to meet the global challenges in this domain. "We have decided to scrap the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) as we don't need the plane anymore due to issues over the technology offered for the planes and constant delays," government sources told Mail Today.

    RUSSIAN STANDARD NOT GOOD ENOUGH?

    The decision of the government and the Air Force has been conveyed to the Russians some time back, they said. On the FGFA programme, the sources said the aircraft being built under the plan are going to cost much more than what the Indian Air Force had expected and the technology on offer from Russia is also not up to global standards.

    The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAK-FA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

    "The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to US$ 300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding US$ 6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.

    'RUSSIA WANTS US TO BUY 127 AIRCRAFT'

    "The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources. Sources said the investment of USD 6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another USD 135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes which we would be ready for induction only after the year 2027-28.

    The overall cost of the project for the IAF is likely to come out to USD 24 billion (Rs 1,60,000 crore) which is almost the double the amount the force had envisaged when the project was initiated, the sources said. The IAF had first started negotiating for the acquisition of more than 210 planes and wanted an equal share in terms of technology development as it was making equal investment in the project.

    Sources said a committee has been formed under Air Marshal (retired) S Varthaman to see whether the FGFA planes were actually required by the IAF and how did the Russian aircraft compared with the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) proposed by the DRDO to be developed as an indigenous fifth generation combat plane.

    The Varthaman committee has already given presentations to defence minister Arun Jaitley on the matter as the government has to take a final call on whether the FGFA is required or not. Sources said the decision on developing the AMCA will have to be taken in near future as it will take at least 15 years for the plane to come out of the drawing board to join the IAF for operational service.

    @vstol jockey @Gessler @PARIKRAMA @Ankit Kumar 001 @lca-fan @kurup @randomradio
     
  12. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Let Rafale be the last fighter brought from abroad.. time to scrap FGFA.. concentrate on LCA and AMCA. Bring Dassault as consultant for AMCA with a uprated Safranised Kaveri.

    FGFA, it's time to close it.. no point wasting time anymore..
     
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  13. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Whoo! Fake news time.

    People should have gotten used to it by now. The only trusted news about FGFA is when sources are named, not unnamed.

    So articles will crop up saying how something has failed or succeeded even before the official announcement.
     
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  14. X_Killer

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    Last committee meeting was held on 15 may but there is no news released for public from official sources.
    There is something wrong happened..
     
  15. randomradio

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    Right now this program has only two paths. An R&D contract is signed and the aircraft is made in the hundreds or only 63-64 of the Russian version will be purchased, similar to the Rafale deal, to replace the Mig-29s. So either expect a $7.4B R&D contract followed by a massive production contract a few years later, or a smaller $10-15B contract for production of 64 jets, the older Russian version, well after 2020, closer to 2025.

    The second option guarantees two things, an assured Rafale MII line, and the option to increase PAK FA's order numbers after 2030, a la MKI. What's more important is a modernized PAK FA will become available by then.

    Otoh, the first option severely reduces Rafale's prospects while at the same time facing the risk of major delays with FGFA's R&D. The drawback here is IAF is not in control of the delay because PAK FA's primarily a Russian project with negligible Indian input.

    Taking the second option means IAF will be more than willing to take their chances on the AMCA instead, which may become available after 2035.

    There are risks everywhere, but only the Rafale is guaranteed.

    As was told by many 'real' analysts, IAF will delay the PAK FA/FGFA as much as possible until they are guaranteed a Rafale production line first. But the final call will be taken by the MoD.
     
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