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PAK-FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Where is the source[​IMG]
     
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  3. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Old ,Factually incorrect and Debunked quite some time ago.........
     
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    Russia to offer fifth-generation prototype fighter to Brazil?

    The global arms trade runs to billions of dollars, but few such deals attract as much media attention as Brazil's recent tender, for the purchase of 36 combat aircraft which includes an agreement on production of another 84 planes under license.

    Media interest in the tender grew after Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, who was inaugurated on January 1, 2011, annulled the results of the previous tender.

    A modest beginning

    The core of the Brazilian Air Force consists of obsolete U.S. F-5 fighters made in the 1960s and 1970s (50 to 60 aircraft) and 12 French Mirage-2000 planes made in the 1980s. It also has in excess of 50 Brazilian-Italian AMX assault aircraft and approximately 100 Super Tucano light attack, counter insurgency and pilot training planes all designed and manufactured in Brazil.

    Brazil's 12 to 15 Mirage III fighters are rarely used because they are both worn out and obsolete.

    The Brazilian Air Force has a combat capacity way below the country's economic potential, especially considering how hard it is working to enhance its global political role.

    The first tender, known as the F-X, was announced in 1999, when Brazil planned to replace its obsolete Mirage III fighters with one or two squadrons of modern aircraft. It was ready and willing to spend up to $700 million to purchase between 12 and 24 fighter planes.

    Almost all the world's main aircraft producers took part in the tender, offering modified versions of their most popular multirole fighter aircraft: Lockheed Martin's F-16, the Mirage-200BR made expressly with Brazil in mind, Sweden's latest fighter plane the JAS-39 Gripen, and Russia's MiG-29SMT Fulcrum.

    Russia's other largest combat aircraft producer, Sukhoi, has also taken an interest in the Brazilian market and planned to offer it a Su-35 fighter, an early model of the Su-27� Flanker-E/F.

    However, French producers were expected to win that tender.

    A growing appetite


    But due to economic problems the tender never materialized. Brazil made an interim decision to buy 12 used older-model Mirage-2000 fighters, allowing it to put off the whole issue of replacement until 2007.

    By that time, Brazil's appetite had grown. It no longer only wanted to replace the obsolete Mirage III, but also the F-5 and AMX planes, and it had also increased its acquisition target from between 12 and 24 to 120 aircraft. Of that number, 36 were to be purchased outright and the rest manufactured under license in Brazil.

    Since the contract price increased to $6-$10 billion, all the various bidders hurried to offer Brazil newer planes. The United States, ready to supply F-16s, also offered the latest model of its main combat aircraft, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. France, which no longer produces the Mirage-2000, rolled out Rafale. A consortium of three European companies put their Eurofighter Typhoon on the table, while Sweden's SAAB once again offered its JAS-39.

    Russia, meanwhile, unveiled its latest design, the Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E (formerly the Su-27M).

    The tender was expected to be won by whichever participant was willing to offer Brazil technology, that is, the option of producing more planes, itself, under license, with a view to upgrading its aircraft-building industry.

    European producers led the race, while the U.S. bid was hamstrung by their insufficient willingness to share their expertise and technical know-how.

    The reason Russia dropped out of the race was more complicated: Brazil was expecting it to supply Su-35BM fighters in exchange for the licensed production of Embraer civilian aircraft in Russia. However, this would have had a negative impact on Sukhoi's own plane project, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, and was therefore blocked.

    Fifth-generation prototype

    The second tender collapsed due to the European fighters' exorbitant prices. As a result, Brazil's new government made two decisions: first, it would hold yet another tender and second, among other options, its Air Force should consider buying Russia's Su-35BM fighter.

    Analysts say that the possibility of Brazil buying a Sukhoi plane could push the European companies to be more flexible over their prices and even prompt the Americans to consider a technology transfer. However, the Su-35BM may yet win the tender, especially because, since 2007, its prestige has been boosted by its successful performance in trials and mass production for the Russian Air Force.

    On top of that, Sukhoi's reputation across Latin America grew on the back of Venezuela's Su-30MK2 purchase.

    The final argument in Russia's favor is the T-50, otherwise known as the PAK FA, a fifth-generation fighter-jet Sukhoi is currently developing.

    Rumors that Russia and Brazil might join forces on a fifth-generation fighter plane first appeared last spring, and have not been refuted. Since Russia and India are allegedly ready to create a joint venture to manufacture the T-50 planes, Russian-Brazilian cooperation in this field is now a very real possibility, especially considering the two countries' friendly relations.

    The supply of the Su-35BM planes, including fifth-generation equipment and materials, could be the first step toward delivering the T-50. If Russia makes this offer, it is almost guaranteed to win the tender.

    The T 50's main rival, the U.S. F-22, is not currently being exported and there are no other similar planes on the market, with the exception of China's J-20, and experts remain divided over its advantages.

    The views expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    Russia to offer fifth-generation prototype fighter to Brazil? | Features & Opinion | RIA Novosti
     
  5. WARrior

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    guyz, can anyone plz explain what da hell is the difference between PAKFA and FGFA and AMCA. now its obvious that one is russian version second indian twin seater and 3rd supposedly indian indigenous. but my question is how will AMCA different from FGFA in terms of design. AMCA contract is taken by Sukhoi and FGFA is also an o/p of sukhoi. so how on earth are they gonna give a different version ?:suicide2:
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well to put it simply the difference between the FGFA and PAK-FA would be in Percentage of Indian components and the twin seater arrangements also India will have more of a say i the FGFA than it has in the PAK-FA.
    Now coming to the AMCA it is supposed to be a indigenous project we may end up having a J.V with some one and will end up building it with an another country ,AMCA is supposed to complement the PAK-FA/FGFA in the IAF as the AMCA is planned to be a lighter class fighter , the differences will sort of be like the differences between the Su-27 family and the Mig-29 family of aircraft,(top ADA person stated it was to perform functions the MG-29 is to do)This lead to rumors of a Joint venture with Mig in their LFMS project, nothing has been substantiated as of yet , more details will come out with time spent on the project..
     
  7. Spartacus+

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    PAK-FA is 100% Russian.
    FGFA is twin seat version of PAK-FA India is partner and financing this project.
    AMCA-(Advanced medium combat aircraft) You can say close to 5G but not completely 5G aircraft.
     
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    Source??
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Sorry dude we dont take words from the person who gave us

    1. The great RCS theory.

    2. MTOW theory.

    3. Junk better than MKI theory.


    So use your extra common sense and tell me how it will not be a 5th gen plane.
     
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  10. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Substantiate this if you can:azn:

    Post reported.........
     
  11. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Intel Post not needed , the post you have quoted has been reported....

    Post responsibly and no need for insults........
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I may not have any knowledge about aviation but certainly I dont pretend to be an expert by inventing RCS and other theories :lol:

    Tu kya bomb blast se post karta hai??


    Tere yaha ban hai kya??


    Tere yaha censored hai kya??

    Tere PAF pilots ki ki sunai hue bakwaas internet me nahi milte......:lol:


    Give the source or accept that you showed your mentality here :azn:


    Dont be jealous dude...in 2300 pakistan will build 5th gen plane(if it ever existed:woot: ) :smokin:
     
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    Edited.
     
  14. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Thank you very much.........
     
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    See post # 76. :lol:

    I just said AMCA close to 5G, even current PAK-FA is not complete 5th generation and you guys are arguing why i said AMCA close to 5G which is still on drawing boards.
     

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