Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

PAK-FA vs F/A-22 - Analysis

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by jagjitnatt, Jul 11, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,865
    Likes Received:
    3,024
    Anyway, F22 doesn't have IRST, PAK FA does... that alone means that PAK FA has more chance of detecting non-radiating F22 than the opposite. As for radar, radiating stealth fighter is oxymoron.
     
  2. DragonKnight

    DragonKnight Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    278
    Nice try... but no use. PAKFA will still be shot down, u know why? because F-15s shot down over 100 MiGs without losing a single one of their own ........And MiGs and Sukhois are alike .... Thousands will crash as soon as they take off.........
    So 1 F-22 = 100 any Non -AMERICAN Fighter :pleasantry:
     
    2 people like this.
  3. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,865
    Likes Received:
    3,024
    1 F22 = 1/2 Typhoon / Rafale
     
  4. satz

    satz Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,057
    Likes Received:
    185
    Wow, people are paid for writing article of this kind, /No wonder they are rich.
     
  5. tangocharlie

    tangocharlie Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2012
    Messages:
    742
    Likes Received:
    120
    Though US poor has everything at there home, not sure why they searching dustbins to get the edibles to full there tummy.
     
  6. satz

    satz Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,057
    Likes Received:
    185
    LOL, May be it has to do some thing with there Government policy, Coz they had always stolen resources from Others and never Used there own. Hope you understand.
     
  7. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    4,653
    Likes Received:
    1,803
    Just found some pictures of 5th Generation Japanese designs
    F-3 which looks very much like an F-22 clone, and F-3E which is tailess delta like our earlier AMCA design

    F-3 E (Tailess delta)

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    F-3 (F-22 clone as per me)

    [​IMG]

    And F-3 in "action" against Chinese J-20
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Messages:
    21,213
    Likes Received:
    5,716
    Country Flag:
    India
    Japanese just couldn't resist the temptation now could they :laugh:
     
  9. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    4,653
    Likes Received:
    1,803
    Damn, cannot see the images here, whats wrong now, is photobucket dead?
    Japan and China have been traditional enemies ever since the Chinese (during the reign of Kublai khan) sent an army for invasion of Japan. the japanese fought it off, and helped by KAMIKAZE (divine wind) that did destroy the entire Fleet.

    Over the years after that the Japanese started to get more into new technology faster than the Chinese, they accepted gun powder and rifles much earlier than Chinese, and then till recent time, in early 1930's the Japanese started the invasion of China via Manchuria (to aid the Manchu king) and then drove south.. they also had to protect their interests in Manchuria from the Soviets.

    Post second world war, Chinese have disliked the Japanese and vice versa, Japanese products are considered superior to Chinese in many markets, even in China itself and due to its Self defence policy, Japan has fallen behind the rest of the world in terms of weapons development, but now seems Japan sees that having Self defence policy will not be effective, the reason is that when you have self defence policy, you tell the nations that "We do not want to have an aggressive stance to you" but considering that the Chinese are claiming all the territories in the China sea, Japan sees that its policy of being totally self defensive and land based is wrong as they have automatically rendered their control islands weak and unprotective due to lack of credible deterents.

    Also recently USA has denied Japan F-22 under the pretext of not losing out its technology. So now Japan finds that in coming decade, it will be actively threatened by China with its long range and 5th Generation planes and its aircraft carriers and it will have just maybe F-16s and F-15 to fly against these threats. F-35 would not be available for japan by then, also there is a chance that the Americans might shy away from active confrontation with Chinese, leaving the Japanese to fend for themselves.

    With this view in mind, Japan feels that for self defence it is important to have credible deterent. Having an aircraft carrier does not mean that you want to invade someone, but it means that you have the ability to protect your assets.
     
  10. kewlol

    kewlol 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    302
    Likes Received:
    106
    Because in the US its easier to find a TV or Xbox in the bin rather then any edibles in it. So maybe they are going to bin after another to find edibles.

    But seriously, the US economy is just sliding and we will soon see their implications on global level, i am guessing that is exactly what china is planning for. The peaking out of one currency will make way for the next one, advent of a new global currency. I am pretty sure, that US can't stay on top any longer.
     
  11. katherine

    katherine FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    47
    From listening to economic discussions here in cali, we are slipping into a second and worse recession in next few years. So bad that we are even thinking civil unrest and possible civil war
     
  12. ManuSankar

    ManuSankar Major SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    2,323
    Likes Received:
    588
    Third PAK-FA (T-50-3) Prototype Tests AESA Radar

    [​IMG]

    "Sukhoi" has started testing the fighter T-50 (PAK FA) with a new on-board radar system with an active phased array, said in a statement received by the Editor "Lenty.ru." The new radar is installed on the third prototype of the future fighter T-50-3. In the first ground and flight tests were checked in the modes of the radar features "air-to-air" and "air-surface". In parallel testing of optical channels.

    Radar PAK FA being developed by the Research Institute of Instrument name Tikhomirov. According to the "Sukhoi", a radar with electronic beam control is made on the basis of the Russian element nanoheterostructures. The system will allow the PAK FA to recognize and classify the group and single target at long range, and at the same time pointing to arms for a few of them. In addition, on-board system will provide communications and electronic countermeasures.

    In February 2012 it was reported that the PAK FA prototype made a total of more than 120 flights. The third prototype of the aircraft involved in the flight test program in November 2011. It is expected that during 2012 the program will connect, and the fourth prototype of the T-50-4. The first prototype aircraft flies from January 2010 and the second - in March 2011.

    Under the current schedule, during the current year is planned to complete testing of the aircraft airframe perspective, and in 2013 to pass a few T-50 troop trials. Serial supplies PAK-FA to the troops is scheduled to begin in 2015. Currently, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to purchase 60 new fighter jets, but in the long term, according to unconfirmed reports, the volume of purchases may be increased up to 120-150 units of the PAK FA.


    Chindits: Third PAK-FA (T-50-3) Prototype Tests AESA Radar : Agency
     
  13. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,359
    Likes Received:
    2,379
    Country Flag:
    United States
    I expect you have some people from India that has lived in the USA , why dont you ask them if its true.
     
  14. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,359
    Likes Received:
    2,379
    Country Flag:
    United States
    No matter how good the Russia radar you are going to be trying to spot something a hundred miles away with the radar signature the size of a bumble bee while all kind of countermeasures and decoy drones are being used. At the same time the PAK-FA is going to stand out like a barn door compared to the F22. The F22s closest to the targets will not be useing their Radar they will cueing off the radar of other F22s or AWACS further away while fireing off missiles that workd on antiradiation, slaved, optical and heat, at ranges of 150 miles. Think about this the Russians have to sell you the PAK-FA for their military aircraft industry to survive, they are tell you any thing and every thing they can to sell it to you at the same time bribeiing everyone in sight.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2012
  15. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,902
    Likes Received:
    728
    well there you go.....you simply saying that no matter how good it wont be able spot a f22....that totally fanboish....!!!

    just for the record we also got 360' irst coverage on pakfa...

    more of the above.....and obviously you know all this as an absolute fact drilled into your mind by your fanboism !!

    and how cud u not forget to hand over all the good stuff to f 22 as if you'll be fighting only pakfa on a battlefield with a country that is capable of fielding a fighter like pakfa !!!

    AND I M ALSO EXPECTING YOUR USUAL INFINITE BUDGET...100:none...LASER-EMP SPEECH IN UR NEXT COMMENT BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR BEST SHOT AT ANY DISCUSSION WE EVER HAVE....
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page