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PAK SCAN: Strategic Anxiety Feared As India Inks Multi-Billion Dollar Missile Deal With Israel

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by PARIKRAMA, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I will just tell that , B8 [not the original one , but what we have developed with Israel ] , is very capable against all types of Cruise Missiles . It has been tested in variety of conditions which we might face[real war like with a variety of sophisticated ECCM on the incoming missile and a variety of evasive manuvers. ]And it has come out successful each time.

    We are currently developing and improving it too. The extension of range of B8 is good but not a very big thing.

    Our Dedicated Cruise Missile Defence Shield will derive heavily from it. And work is already on. This is more important thing.
    I have hinted towards it in a thread discussing launch of SLCM by Pakistan.

    As for intercepting Ballistic Missiles , the technology with respect to interceptor missiles available to us and under development is highly satisfactory and dependable.

    The concern is the lack of capability for detection and Early Warning System. We need billions of worth of investments for assets in Space, on air and on ground to provide our Interceptor missiles with the required time and data to react. We currently lag hugely in this.
    If we get this done , 99% is the capability we have against any type of incoming threat [including ICBMs with MIRV].
     
  2. PeegooFeng41

    PeegooFeng41 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I believe 'Saturation mode' is a fancy term for volley. You know like they used to have with archers in the past.
     
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    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    By saturation mode , I meant a few dozen CM's or BM's launched on say a city like Bombay or Delhi

    Now considering this as a real life scenario , how effective will our 4 tier BMD / CMD will be as & when we have all the components in place say in a decade or 2?
     
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    The country in question should be around in that time frame.

    No defensive system is fool proof. Similarly, no offensive system is either.

    We are in rudimentary stage if one was to consider plain BMs. In terms of nukes ... we will eliminate them before they are launched. Our intelligence is quite good in that field
     
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    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    If you read about the history of the creation of Pakistan (including Bangladesh the then East Pakistan ) that wasn't supposed to happen.
    After their creation , they weren't supposed to survive . All through their history they've been bailed out whenever their suicidal instincts got the better of them .Earlier it was the US .Today , with the mountain of debt piling up , China's playing sugar daddy .It's what our ex NSA S.S.Menon termed Pakistan's ability to collect strategic rent thanks to something called an accident of geography (and also of history ) from the leading global powers of the day .

    I wouldn't be so confident that they would cease to exist as an entity or more to the point as plain nuisance value for India particularly but also for the rest of the region in the near to mid term future .
     
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    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    S 400 has been negotiated .AFAIK it is a done deal for undisclosed amount.
     
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  7. SrNair

    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Our mard i momins have this behaviour of underestimates anything and everything that concerns India .
    Mars mission is fake ,ABM is fake ,Indian products wont work properly .
    We dont know their elite's behaviour ,if they are also like this then we dont have to put much energy in there .

    On topic: If we goes through a balanced approach then we will have our own matured MIC within two decades.
     
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    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Have you seen their officials recent mumblings about our foreign policy?
    They are the only one that put up obstacles against our hegemonic ambition in South Asia.
    Fact is they knows we are already outclassed them and the kind of investment we are doing to bolster our capability in every field is actually frightens them.
    Current GoI ruthless approach causes a lots of hate among them.
    They are literally cursing our PM and Govt :D
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    They got the Super Duper Indegenous Anza.
     
  10. SvenSvensonov

    SvenSvensonov MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    GBI.

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    STARS, based on Poseidon C-2 (using the booster from Poseidon. Earlier models used a Polaris SLBM booster), is one of the target missiles for the GBI program. Each STARS carries one or more post-boost vehicles - MIRV, MRV or MaRV.

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    LV-2, an actual Poseidon C-2 (newer models use a Trident I C4 boost stage), is another target option.

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    Oh I am well versed with the history :biggthumpup:

    I have a slightly different take on it. When a nation (in this case India) allows such nations to persist inspite of demonstrated animosity, hatred and enemity, then it is not the brilliance of Pakistan - instead, it is the foolishness of this nation that allows it to continue to live and grow and gnaw at us. SS Menon is not wrong - only his reference is wrong. Indeed it is a case of accident of geography - it has India as an enemy and not US or some other nation.

    Where else in the history would you find an example where retributive costs have not been imposed upon a nation after defeating it? I am yet to find a single instance in the history of this world, right from the time since history has been recorded, where not only a nation, which defeats another nation after being attacked by it, not only does not exact retributive and punitive costs, but also returns all the territories captured?

    Even till date, for past two decades, quietly we have allowed Pakistan to not only build up a nuclear arsenal, but also allow it to develop greater capability to not only threaten us, but also destroy the very way of our life!

    It is not a matter of their being capable, it is a matter of Indians not only being stupid, but downright moronic about their own security.


    Those who attempt to correct the course, are not only side lined in the politics, but also in pillars of our security from defence forces to intelligence to bureaucratic set up.

    Let us be brutally honest about it.

    I had a chance to interact with young trainees of Indian Foreign Services who had halted at the Army Camp at Khardung-La. For them, it was a senseless deployment of armed forces.

    This camp is the one which caters to move of troops from Leh to Partapur and from Partapur to Siachen (acclimatisation at 15000 ft). When such people are given power, who, after being told the reason for glacier being occupied remained unconvinced, what would you expect?:facepalm:
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Thanks Sir

    but I have some more questions about the weight/range/altitude of this GBI interceptor and how it is different from THAAD and SM3 BK2A ?
     
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    After all this , you still maintain it's Pakistan whose days are numbered .Not India's?

    Sounds like a sickening re play of the Prithviraj Chauhan vs Mohammed Ghori saga.
     
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    SvenSvensonov MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Range: 5000+ km
    Altitude: Classified, but capable of hitting exo-atmospheric targets.
    Weight: 21,600 kg
    Height 16.61 meters
    Diameter: 1.28 meters
    Speed: Mach 25+
    Basing: Silo, possibly TEL.
    Target class: IRBM, ICBM.

    It's roughly the same size as France's S3 IRBM, but is 4 meters longer.

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    It differs from THAAD in target class and range. THAAD has a range of only around 250km making it used for terminal interceptions against classes up to IRBM like DF-26. GBI is significantly faster then THAAD and is projected to have a higher altitude. The THAAD interceptor is significantly smaller and more mobile then GBI, with eight fitting a TEL.

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    SM-3 Block IIA and GBI overlap in their mission, but again, GBI outranges it by 3:1, though SM-3 block IIA is more mobile, with the option of being based at sea.

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    PACIFIC OCEAN (Feb. 3, 2017) The U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA), the Japan Ministry of Defense (MoD), and U.S. Navy Sailors aboard the guided-missile destroyer USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) successfully conducted a flight test Feb. 3 (Hawaii Standard Time), resulting in the first intercept of a ballistic missile target using the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IIA off the west coast of Hawaii.

    While SM-3 can counter ICBMs, GBI was specifically designed to do so at massive ranges, long before the missile becomes a threat to the US mainland where they're stationed.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Pinaka2 guided range increased to 80km
     
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