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Pak troops cross LoC, kill 2 Indian jawans brutally

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  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Re: LoC peaceful, tension de-escalates: Cabinet told

    Why do you talk such silly nonsense. The IA did not give MMS an 'opportunity to liberate POK'. You cooked that stuff on your own didn't you?
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Re: LoC peaceful, tension de-escalates: Cabinet told

    No- formula is set- 3 Pak soldiers for 2 indian soldiers, tension will continue to be there, probably some of the meaner stuff (mutilation, beheading etc.) will come down.
     
  3. Virajith

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    The Army reported a quiet Line of Control (LoC) since Wednesday, even as External Aff

    The Army reported a quiet Line of Control (LoC) since Wednesday, even as External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid welcomed the Pakistan Army’s assurance of restraint and said he did not think it necessary for the two Foreign Ministers to meet especially on the recent skirmishes.

    Earlier on Thursday, Defence Minister A.K. Antony informed the Cabinet about Wednesday’s conversation between the Directors General of Military Operations (DGMOs), which has helped ease the tension that prevailed along the LoC for over 10 days.

    Five soldiers from both sides have been killed in the flare-up on the LoC, but India has been strident about a probe into the beheading of its soldier on January 8.

    The Cabinet also noted the stand taken by the government that it would not be business as usual if Pakistan continued to deny that its men were involved in the mutilation of an Indian soldier’s body. Since then, the Pakistan Army has said its units have been asked to exercise restraint and observe a ceasefire on the LoC, a move that has been welcomed by official circles here. The initiative taken by the armies to cool tempers, they said, confirmed the understanding here that there was no need for the Foreign Ministers to convene a special meeting on the issue.

    The suggestion was made by Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar in a late night statement on Wednesday after the Pakistani leadership absorbed the import of actions taken by New Delhi during the week, they pointed out. India put on hold a liberalised visa agreement, sent back nine top Pakistani players here for the Hockey India League and appeared lukewarm about the month-end visit of the Pakistan Commerce Minister. These signs of displeasure over Pakistan’s attitude towards the beheading of the Indian soldier were capped by a strongly worded statement from the government read out by Mr. Khurshid at a hurriedly convened press meet on Tuesday evening.

    Officials referred to Mr. Khurshid’s interview to CNN-IBN in which he termed the Pakistan Army’s assurance of restraint as a very positive development and felt the flare-up was something the armed forces should handle themselves on the basis of available mechanisms.

    “It’s a good thing that they handle it at their own level and if it is contained at their own level then it doesn’t create a larger political issue at the higher level… I think that when something good is done, you should encourage it by praising it and appreciating it because we have been complaining a lot about things going wrong,’’ the Minister said.

    The officials said this indicated that the leaderships of both countries felt the armies should by themselves be responsible enough to handle tensions arising from holding and manning the LoC.



    The Hindu : News / National : All quiet on LoC; Khurshid sees no need for talks
     
  4. Virajith

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    Civilised behaviour must for peace: Sonia to Pakistan

    Congress President Sonia Gandhi sent out a firm message to Pakistan on Friday underscoring the fact that any dialogue to promote regional peace “must be based on accepted principles of civilised behaviorâ€, even as she said that India would never compromise its vigil on its borders.

    Days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, following the brutal killing of two Indian soldiers on the Line of Control, said that it could not be business as usual with Pakistan, and in the wake of the Bharatiya Janata Party seeking to use the episode to corner the government, Ms Gandhi used the platform of the Congress chintan shivir to address the issue.

    “Better and closer relations with our immediate neighbours will not only make for regional peace,†she said, “they will also have a positive impact on some of our border states.â€

    Meanwhile, Union External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid, on the margins of the shivir, in response to a question, told journalists that Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar’s offer to discuss “all†concerns related to the LoC was a “positive indication, good indicationâ€. But India would wait for a formal proposal before responding formally.

    He also urged the press not use words like “softening and hardening [of stand].†There was a “positive content in some of the statements that have come from both the [Pakistani] Foreign Minister and the High Commissioner [in Delhi]â€, he said, adding that “the positive content in it is welcome and it should beget an appropriate response from our side.â€



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  5. Virajith

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    ‘Right messages’ went from Indian Army

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    India-Pakistan relations have come under severe stress over the past week after Pakistani troops crossed the LoC (line of control) and killed two Indian soldiers. Unfortunately, the New Year has begun with outbreak of violence in Kashmir since India and Pakistan agreed a ceasefire nearly a decade ago. The situation has deteriorated further because the bodies of Indian soldiers have been found mutilated and a “barbaric†beheading of one the Indian soldier has taken place. After this incident there has been a huge outcry in the country. In a tough message to Pakistan, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said that there cannot be business as usual with Pakistan any more.

    Tension along the LoC has been building since the firing and the death of the Pakistani solider on January 6. It all started few months back with the two sides exchanging sporadic firing. The beheading of the Indian solider has further complicated the issue.

    In order to narrow down the differences, a Brigade-level flag meeting between Indian and Pakistani authorities at Chakan-da-Bagh near the LoC in Poonch was held on January 14, but nothing much was achieved. There are ceasefire violations along the LoC. The need of the hour is to make efforts to defuse the situation as fast as possible. The two nuclear neighbours have already fought three and half wars in the past and there is no need to aggravate the situation now.

    The Indian military leadership has given the right messages after the “warming†of LoC. They have made is clear that they are ready for any eventuality and are prepared with multiple options.

    In short, they have mentioned that they know what their job is and how to do it. At the same it has been made clear that they would maintain the ‘sanctity’ of the LoC. Unfortunately, in certain other quarters there appears to be a lack of responsibility while addressing this issue.

    Media hysteria

    Quite a few uncalled-for and unnecessarily hawkish statements have been issued. Some sections of India’s 24X7 electronic media are found trying to compete not only with each other for the TRP, but are perceptibly trying to recreate the Sunny Doel brand of machismo patriotism.

    The time has come to issue these hotheads a reminder that it was their over-enthusiasm which on several occasions in the past had resulted in queering of diplomatic pitches and even complications in security responses. Media overkill during the Kargil operation led to quite a few valuable losses for the Indian Army. The experience in Mumbai, while operations against the 26/11 terrorists were still on, is still alive in people’s collective memory.

    India’s civil society is one more agency which feels that they can make a difference in the process of resolving the Pakistan quagmire. It is important to appreciate the limitations of civil society to resolve Indo-Pak crisis. Just because civil society manages to get disproportionate media attention it does not imply that their solutions are anything more than the ordinary. Civil society is essentially a fair weather creature. Some of them are committed while some are page three performers.

    There is a demand for India to adopt an offensive diplomatic posture to deal with Pakistan now. Initiatives like “people to people contact†have significant limitations. Many Pakistani artists and sportspersons are keen to visit India not for changing hearts and minds but mainly for publicity, fame and money. They are essentially news creators and do provide the ‘feel good factor’. But, they lack much of a say in their own country. Pakistan is mainly controlled by the military, ISI and Taliban. To resolve any issue with Pakistan what is most important is to engage the kingmaker (military/ISI). There is need for a direct and proactive contact between Indian and Pakistani militaries.

    It is important to address the issue with Pakistan at different diplomatic planes. India has been trying with a range of diplomatic options for quite some time now. A range of issues and options are under discussion. Apart from the age-old border dispute and water issues what probably works on Pakistan’s mind is their defeat in the hands of India during 1971 war. Some of them are scared that India could do it again by using different means to separate may be Baluchistan.

    Because of such perceptions they are unhappy about India’s presence in Afghanistan. Some ambitious Pakistanis also feel that to avenge 1971, the target should not be only Kashmir but also some portion of Punjab. Under such circumstances there is a need give them a confidence that India has no interest in changing the political boundaries of Pakistan. At the time Pakistani military needs to be coerced and told in no uncertain terms that India would not accept any nonsense. For all this there is a need to use military diplomacy effectively. Also, there is need launch an economic offensive to increase the inter-dependence of both the states.

    Resolving Pakistan issue is a huge challenge and involves very many geopolitical and geostrategic complexities. Vitiating public opinion in both the states by making provocative statements and media running the story like a soap opera is not in the interest of both the nations. War or no-war is an extremely serious business and there is a need to allow the policy makers and generals to do their job fearlessly.



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  6. Virajith

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    Indian Army preparing for war: Pak media

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    India is preparing to launch a major strike on Pakistan, a Pakistani publication alleged, referring to a report citing New Delhi’s plan to construct underground shelters for storing missiles, rockets and ammunition close to the borders.

    The report published in the ‘Pakistan today’ said that India is planning to construct underground shelters to store ammunition close to the borders with Pakistan and China.

    Citing that the development was a follow-up to the ongoing tensions between the two neighbours following the killing of two Indian soldier (one Indian soldier was beheaded by troops from the other side and his head was taken as trophy by Pakistan rangers), the report claimed that Indian Army chief General Bikram Singh was considering a proposal to shift at least 2,000-2,500 metric tonnes of ammunition near the border.

    Apart from providing better logistics in the event of a war, these ammunitions termed to be “expensive and operationally importantâ€â€™ will provide logistical support to the Northern and Eastern Army Commands, the report claimed.

    The report claimed that New Delhi viewed Beijing as the “real long-term threat†over Pakistan and has taken up two pilot projects for construction of “underground and tunneled†storage of ammunition near the “northern borders†with China.

    According to the report, a committee consisting of the Indian Army, DRDO and other experts had selected five sites in the north-east and two in Jammu and Kashmir for the underground shelters, but the plan was later narrowed down to a site each in Leh and Sikkim.

    Similar project are expected to come along the western border with Pakistan, the report claimed.

    At present, only around 4.5 lakh of the 8 lakh tonnes of ammunition authorised for the Army has proper storage facilities in the shape of modern and fire-resistant storage sheds or storehouses. The rest is stored mostly in the open, exposed to the weather. This often leads to explosions, fires and “mishandling of ammunition incidents’’ causing regular deaths as well as destruction of ammunition.



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