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Pakistan Air Force: News & Discussions

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Tailchopper, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. positron

    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I really wish you could have the insider info that I have, then these petty comments would no longer be there.
    India is eager to work with USA to develop engine for Tejas II and AMCA, because India sees that the Achilles heel is the ENGINE.

    Rafale matter will close soon, and then I am sure many folks here will be complaining.

    The bird to watch is PAKFA / Tejas II and AMCA developments
     
  2. positron

    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    When Kaveri failed to reach the expectations HAL/DRDO got the American engine, and so far it has worked and it has proven to be reliable,
    The French on other hand were dangling, their main and only focus was Rafale and they did put conditions that "... if the Rafale contract is signed ..... " I need not say more. It did work for Mirage 2000 upgrade.

    Advice to French.
    You can fool one peron many times
    You can fool many people one time.
    You cannot fool all the people all the time,

    Your timer already started... Au revoir
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    An opinion not shared by the IAF and MoD.
     
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    And it would be better to get a higher thrust engine and then improve the aircraft's aerodynamics to higher level. It is future-proof too. :wink:
     
  5. positron

    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    IAF does not share the opinion on many matters, and the way they have been for the lack of better word p*mping foreign wares the present Ministry of Defence does not agree with IAF either.

    BTW, please do debate abt LCA on LCA thread and not on JF-17 thread, lets not derail some other thread for sake of debate.
     
  6. Anees

    Anees Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Bulgaria is to be offered the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, according to national media reports.

    The single-seat, single-engined fighter is to be offered by Pakistan as an alternative to the several Western aircraft types that are all vying to be selected by Bulgaria as it looks to replace its ageing MiG-29 ‘Fulcrum’ and Sukhoi Su-25 ‘Frogfoot’ platforms, the novinite.com Sofia News Agency reported on 4 March.

    No details pertaining to costs or potential delivery timelines were revealed.

    The Bulgarian government has stated that it will choose to buy new or secondhand Western fighters, or commit to a further MiG-29 upgrade. The acquisition of ‘new’ fighters is expected to cost more than BGN500 million (USD282 million), although actual new aircraft, such as Lockheed Martin Block 52 F-16s, are almost certainly unaffordable.

    Contenders for secondhand jets include surplus Block 25 F-16s from the US Air National Guard, F-16 midlife upgrade aircraft from Belgium, early tranche Eurofighter Typhoons from the Italian Air Force, or surplus Saab Gripens from Sweden.

    Developed jointly by China (where it is designated the FC-1) and Pakistan, the JF-17 Thunder made its maiden flight in 2004. Powered by a single Russian-designed but Chinese-built Klimov RD-93 (RD-33 derivative) turbofan, it has a top speed of Mach 1.6 (at altitude); a radius-of-operation of 648 n miles (1,200 km) as a fighter and 378 n miles (700 km) as a ground attack platform; a range of 971 n miles (1,798 km) on internal fuel, or 1,100 n miles (2,037 km) for ferry; a service ceiling of 52,500 ft; and a g-rating of +8.5/-3.5.

    It has seven underwing/fuselage hardpoints, and is equipped with an internal GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon. Weapon options include up to four PL-5, -7, -8 or -9 short-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) or four PL-12/SD-10B medium-range AAMs; two C-802A anti-ship missiles; two anti-radiation missiles; five 500 kg bombs; twin launchers for up to eight 250 kg, MK-20, GBU-12 or anti-runway bombs; single 1,000 kg bomb or GBU-10; or up to three mission pods.

    ANALYSIS
    Although widely offered for export with countries such as Argentina, Serbia, and even Saudi Arabia, the JF-17 has yet to secure its first international customer.

    While Bulgaria’s economic situation would appear to make it a good candidate for the approximately USD30 million fighter (a comparable Western type would likely cost double this at least), its status as a NATO member would not.

    As one of the alliance’s newest members, Bulgaria is striving towards achieving full interoperability with its NATO partners, and indeed this is one of the primary reasons that it is looking to replace its Soviet-era MiGs and Sukhois. The JF-17 is not a NATO-compatible aircraft (although it can be upgraded to be so), and so is not a good fit for Bulgaria operationally.

    Politically, such a procurement of a joint Chinese-Pakistani platform would be extremely difficult for Bulgaria, as evidenced by the reaction to Turkey’s proposed procurement of the China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) HQ-9 air and missile defence system in 2013.

    That decision caused a fury, with Turkey’s alliance partners saying that the Chinese system would never be integrated with NATO systems, effectively forcing a back down from the Turkish government, which is now moving away from the HQ-9 and is restarting negotiations with US and European suppliers instead.

    Being a new and enthusiastic member of NATO, Bulgaria will be loath to place itself in a similar position, and for this reason primarily it would seem that a JF-17 buy is not likely to happen.

    Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan | idrw.org
     
  7. ricky123

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    SLAMABAD — Pakistan's Air Force (PAF) Thursday stood up its unit of Chinese Karakorum Eagle AEW&C aircraft in a ceremony attended by the head of the PAF, Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafiq Butt, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

    Though the exact location of the ceremony was not given, it is believed to have been held at PAF Base Masroor in Karachi as the prime minister was known to have been in the city that day.

    Brian Cloughley, an analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, said AEW&C "is very good news for the PAF – and for Pakistan" because it "will dramatically improve early warning capabilities which up until now have been comparatively rudimentary."

    The ZDK-03 Karakorum Eagle is a dish-based AEW&C system mounted on a Shaanxi Y-8F600 aircraft. Though never confirmed, it has been speculated that the dish houses an AESA antenna.

    Four were ordered in 2008 with the first delivered in 2010.

    Air Commodore Syed Muhammad Ali, a spokesman for the Air Force, confirmed all Karakorum Eagle aircraft on order have now been delivered, but could not say if more would be ordered from China.

    The aircraft join No.4 Squadron, which was first established in 1959 with Bristol Freighter transports and Grumman HU-16 Albatross amphibians. The amphibians were used for maritime reconnaissance, search and rescue, and casualty evacuation alongside Sikorsky H-19D helicopters. The HU-16s were retired in 1968 and the H-19Ds in 1969.

    The unit was then "number-plated" until officially re-equipped with the Karakorum Eagle.

    The four Karakorum Eagle AEW&C aircraft join the surviving three Saab Erieye AEW&C aircraft ordered in 2005 and delivered from 2009. One of the four Erieye aircraft was destroyed in a terrorist attack on Kamra Air Base in August 2012.

    That the Air Force operates two types of AEW&C aircraft for the same mission has been much commented on.

    Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank says the Karakorum Eagle's mission is "asically the same job as Erieye but based in southern sector.

    "To cover all the length of Pakistan we needed additional AEW&C aircraft and ZDK-03 was the answer due to political and financial considerations," he said.

    Former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail says the PAF was not keen on their purchase.

    "The [Karakorum] Eagle was purchased rather reluctantly, under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority," he said. "It would have been more cost effective to manage a single type than these two vastly different ones."

    Though he now believes attitudes have changed.

    "Having said that, the performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism," he said.

    Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.

    To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

    Cloughley does not think this has changed.

    "It's unlikely that the systems will complement those of the US, but cooperation with China is more important for Pakistan," he said.

    PAF officials have previously told Defense News that this was impractical and would change.

    Though perhaps not as technologically advanced as the Swedish Erieye, according to Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank, the two types of AEW&C aircraft have worked very well together with the installation of Link 16 compatible equipment throughout the PAF's aircraft fleet.

    Combined, they have effectively covered the country and much of Pakistan's maritime area of interest.
     
  8. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Tufail is 100% lying.

    Link-16 cannot be integrated with a Chinese AEWC system so delay is something else.

    Poor fool has to live with burden of not taking on IAF in 1999 despite being DG operations
     
  9. Anees

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    Pakistan successfully tests first indigenous armed drone: ISPR
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    RAWALPINDI: Pakistan has successfully test fired an indigenously-developed armed drone Burraq and its laser guided missile Barq, the ISPR announced on Friday.

    According to DG ISPR Asim Bajwa, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif witnessed the test fire, which has impressive accuracy and multiplies capability against terrorists.



    The army chief commended the engineers and scientists involved in the development and for their untiring efforts to acquire state-of-the-art technology.

    According to Bajwa, General Raheel termed it “a great national achievement”, and added that it would add to the country’s existing anti-terror campaign.











    Pakistan successfully tests first indigenous armed drone: ISPR - The Express Tribune

    Pak successfully test fires own indigenous developed armed #Drone Burraq & Barq laser guided missile.

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    Pakistan successfully tests first combat drone — RT News

    Proud moment in Pak history. Pakistan successfully tested it's first Drone #Burraq armed with laser guided missile آل راؤنڈر on Twitter: "Proud moment in Pak history. Pakistan successfully tested it's first Drone #Burraq armed with laser guided missile http://t.co/dhU3cqKdta"

    Pakistan has test-fired its first domestic combat drone with “impressive pinpoint accuracy.” Hailed by the country's army chief as a “great national achievement,” the new arsenal is aimed at boosting Pakistan’s ability to fight terrorism.

    The drone, dubbed 'Burraq' in honor of the flying horse described in Islamic screeds, is capable of flying in all-weather conditions. Equipped with a Barq laser-guided missile, the drone showed“impressive pinpoint accuracy,” said Pakistan's chief of army staff, General Raheel Sharif.

    Sharif attended Friday’s ceremony and witnessed the drone successfully hitting both static and moving targets.

    Speaking at the event, General Sharif said the newly developed weapon will increase the military’s capacity to effectively combat terrorism. He also commended the scientists and engineers who worked on the project.

    “Let’s join hands to take Pakistan forward in respective fields,” Sharif said in his address.

    Islamabad has in the past complained about US drone strikes targeting Al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents near the country’s northwestern border with Afghanistan, saying that such military activity violates Pakistan’s territorial integrity. The CIA has carried out more than 400 strikes in Pakistan since 2004, according to the independent Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

    Pakistan’s military developed surveillance-capable drones back in November 2013, but arming them required overcoming significant technical hurdles.

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    Pakistan has test-fired its first domestic combat drone with “impressive pinpoint accuracy.” Hailed by the country's army chief as a “great national achievement,” the new arsenal is aimed at boosting Pakistan’s ability to fight terrorism. The drone, dubbed 'Burraq' in honor of the flying horse described in Islamic screeds, is capable of flying in all-weather conditions. Equipped with a Barq laser-guided missile, the drone showed “impressive pinpoint accuracy,” said Pakistan's chief of army staff, General Raheel Sharif. Sharif attended Friday’s ceremony and witnessed the drone successfully hitting both static and moving targets. Speaking at the event, General Sharif said the newly developed weapon will increase the military’s capacity to effectively combat terrorism. He also commended the scientists and engineers who worked on the project. “Let’s join hands to take Pakistan forward in respective fields,” Sharif said in his address. Islamabad has in the past complained about US drone strikes targeting Al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents near the country’s northwestern border with Afghanistan, saying that such military activity violates Pakistan’s territorial integrity. The CIA has carried out more than 400 strikes in Pakistan since 2004, according to the independent Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Pakistan’s military developed surveillance-capable drones back in November 2013, but arming them required overcoming significant technical hurdles.
     
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    It is chinese CH3 pakistani version

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    Never the less good development where are we with armed drone development???
     
  12. Anees

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    Pakistan recently successfully test-fired Barq laser-guided missile from an indigenously developed Armed Medium-altitude long-endurance Class UAV (MALE) dubbed Burraq which is a repackaged CH-3 drone developed by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC).

    Barq laser-guided missile mentioned in the report is AR-1 developed by CASC for use with UAVs. CASC had developed CH-3 in 2008 and had tested Drone with smaller ammunition. according to CASC drone, is also capable of carrying 2 x 75kg FT-5 Chinese Small Diameter Bombs featuring 35kg warheads.

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    Pakistan had inducted unarmed Burraq variant in 2013 and locally has been assembling this drone Provided from kit form locally. Pakistani military officials have dubbed it as a ” force multiplier in their anti-terror campaign”, Pakistan’s repeated request for American armed drone has been refused several times. Pakistani air force has been carrying out extensive air campaign and has been bombarding North Waziristan belt for last few years. Burraq has been developed to provide a low-cost solution against militant groups operating near Afghanistan border.

    Earlier this year CH-3 was in the news when Photographs emerged on social media websites which showed a CH-3A UAV had crashed in the northeastern Nigerian state of Borno. Drone was seen with Two guided munitions one appeared to be an AR-1 laser-guided missile while the other was FT-5 Chinese Small Diameter Bombs.
    Pakistan’s lowcost Burraq armed drone | idrw.org
     
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    SOURCE: Jane’s Defence Weekly

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    Block 2 JF-17, with its KLJ-7 airborne pulse doppler fire-control radar visible, The Block 3 version, now being developed, will accommodate a new AESA radar.

    The first Block 2 JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft made its maiden flight from the Pakistan Aeronautical Company (PAC) facility at Kamra on 9 February.

    The aircraft (serial number 2P01) made three more successful flights before being taken to the paint shop in mid-February. The test flights came as a boost as PAC continues to look for a first export customer for its platform.

    Air Commodore Ahsan Rafiq, Deputy Chief Project Director (Operations) JF-17 and a former commanding officer of the JF-17 Test and Evaluation Unit, described the Block 2 version as “an upgraded Block 1 with an air-to-air refuelling (AAR) probe, enhanced oxygen system [to allow the pilot to stay in the air longer], and improved electronic countermeasures system (ECS)”.

    The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has a contract for 50 Block 2 JF-17s but as Air Cdre Ahsan pointed out, “the full AAR system will not appear until the 29th jet, which should fly later this year [at Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) in China].”

    In a further development that sends a clear signal that PAC and Chinese marketing partner CATIC intend business in the international arena, the Block 2 JF-17 will also have a two-seater version, which is now being developed at Chengdu according to the PAF’s requirements.

    “We know potential customers would like to see a two-seater, although it is not such a big deal for the PAF, which started flying several types, [A-5, F-6, F-7P and F-7PG] without a training version,” Air Cdre Ahsan said. “This will give us the chance to show potential suitors how the jet can perform in the air.”

    Block 2 JF-17 makes first flight ahead of Block 3 improvements | idrw.org
     
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    comparison of price & configuration of all the choppers that pak has considered till date ....

    apache is THE costliest of them & Wz 10 is the cheapest ?

    as per the current economical viability of pak .... how many, Wz 10, can they afford to fly ?
     
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