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Pakistan Air Force: News & Discussions

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Tailchopper, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. Tailchopper

    Tailchopper Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Sorry to disappoint you, however these helicopters are not a concern for a country that has 1000s of mobile MANPADs, SAMs and other AAA elements in service. Go and scare naxals with it. Only real threat to us would be the Apaches.
     
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    Zeus_@21 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Same here! :D :D Mandpads are common to every single army. Go scare your grandchild TTP with your toys. Who knows they may take over your nukes some day?
     
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    tusharm Captain FULL MEMBER

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    @Tailchopper good to see a guy from neighborhood. :)

    i hope we can get to discuss on technical details of both the forces.
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    ToT for 3 helicopters? Are you sure?
    MI-35 is a dual role helicopter, you can call it armed transport or gunship with ability to extract soldiers,
    Rather I see a different development here.
    AH-1Z as top tier attack helo like you said used at tactical level (regimental support)
    Mi-35 would be middle level to be used to support company level operations because it can not only provide the fire power but reinforce a critical point with troops.
    Z-10 armed reconaissance, which can more or less be supporting Mi-35
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Your Vipers will be sitting ducks to our Akash. Its good that pakistani have started buying foreign equipment. Will fasten your economic collapse. Our attack helicopter is specially designed to kick pakistani ass in mountains where your toy does not work. You are buying 15 toys. We are producing 200. By the way does your armed forces get fuel to run their toys. Few days back heard that there is no fuel/electricity there. Start training your armed forces to use sword and ride horses.
     
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    Tailchopper Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    New images including KLJ-7VII Radar & WS-13A engine being tested.

    jjj.jpg jh.jpg oeb1NY4.jpg 10943796_1581553152082036_7538151916036579226_o.jpg Batch of JF-17 Thunder.jpg JF-17.jpg jf-17_thunder_ccs_combat_school_018.jpg p1631248.jpg
     
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    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    That is RD-93 klimov powerplant
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Im sure the Americans have made their latest frontline USMC attack helicopter appropriately that it would have the EW equipment to evade/jam the ancient soviet 2k12 sam system.
     
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    The US State Department has approved a possible foreign military sale of AH-1Z Viper helicopters to Pakistan, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency announced on 6 April.

    The department also approved a possible sale of AGM-114R Hellfire II missiles, along with equipment, parts, training and logistical support associated with the missiles and AH-1Z Vipers. The estimated cost is $952 million.

    The equipment has been requested by Pakistan as it seeks upgraded military capabilities to support its counterterrorism and counter-insurgency operations in South Asia.

    In total, Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 15 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C engines (30 installed and two spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II missiles, 36 H-1 technical refresh mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 target sight systems and 30 629F-23 ultra-high frequency/very high frequency communication systems.

    The country also requested 19 H-764 embedded GPS/inertial navigation systems, 32 helmet-mounted display/optimised top owl, 17 APX-117A friend or foe identification systems, 17 AN/AAR-47 missile warning systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 countermeasure dispenser sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 radar warning receivers, 15 joint mission planning systems, and 17 M197 20mm gun systems.

    Bell Helicopter, General Electric, Boeing and Lockheed Martin will be the principle contractors if the sale goes ahead.


    There are no jammers in the list of equipment..
     
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    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) to revamp its Air Force training program, although some viable alternatives remain.

    Interest in the T-50 comes amid moves to improve Pakistani-South Korean defense industry collaboration, possibly including a new shipyard in the Pakistani port of Gwadar.

    On March 26, a memorandum to ensure mutual standards of quality was signed by South Korea's Defence Agency for Technology & Quality and Pakistan's Ministry of Defence Production.

    Pakistan's Secretary for Defence Production Lt. Gen. Tanvir Tahir said, "Pakistan is examining the [T-50] and assessing our needs and requirements accordingly."

    Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley said, "It is apparent that the Koreans are serious about further collaboration, they are not going to waste their time on a meaningless visit but they can be expected to examine options very carefully."

    Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said new training aircraft could be needed once the current Chengdu F-7 variants are retired and stealth aircraft possibly acquired.

    Currently, trainees transition from the subsonic intermediate K-8P jet to the supersonic FT-7P, which "seems to be sufficient for now," he said, adding that the K-8P appears to be performing satisfactorily in the LIFT role.

    If a higher performance type is required, the T-50 fits the bill, but Shabbir said financial restrictions may dictate selection of a more affordable Chinese option. The Hongdu JL-10/L-15 has previously been examined by the Pakistan Air Force and could therefore be a more realistic option.

    Douglas Barrie of the International Institute for Strategic Studies highlights the potential benefits of operating a twin-seat JF-17, currently under development in China.

    "As far as LIFT goes, a training pipeline using the K-8 as the intermediate jet trainer and then pilots doing advanced jet training with a two-seat JF-17 would be one option. An alternative would be to use an L-15-class aircraft as an advanced jet trainer with pilots only doing type conversion on front-line squadrons to the JF-17, although again this could be done using a two-seat version. Using a two-seat JF-17 for advanced jet training would avoid introducing another aircraft type into inventory."

    Justin Bronk at the Royal United Services Institute is also unconvinced of the need for a supersonic LIFT and said the "K-8's suitability for continued use will depend on fleet fatigue, life remaining and avionics fit, rather than performance characteristics per se."

    He said a dedicated supersonic LIFT would cost as much to operate as an F-16, and that a twin-seat JF-17 would be preferable.

    "A twin-seat JF-17 would certainly make it easier for new pilots to transition to the type straight from a K-8/Yak-130-class trainer. Being only slightly more expensive to operate than a T-50, its introduction to service would probably kill much of the rationale for a Pakistani purchase of the latter," he said.

    Even possible acquisition of the Shenyang J-31/F-60 may not justify a supersonic LIFT.

    "I would regard potential acquisition of the FC-31 for Pakistan as far enough away in terms of any meaningful operational capability that I'd disregard it as a significant factor in evaluating current requirements for advanced jet trainers in the PAF," he said.

    Still, a new type may be required, said analyst, author, and former air commodore Kaiser Tufail, who added that use of T-37 and K-8P jets for basic and advanced training is undesirable.

    "Use of turbojets/turbofans for basic training is contrary to the current trend, where turboprops have virtually taken over this role. Turboprops do not lack in performance in the training regime compared to turbojets/turbofans, and are much cheaper to operate all the same," he said.

    "Looking at this trend, the PAF would do well to start looking at turboprop trainer options to replace the T-37s, just as the Turkish Air Force is doing by developing the Hurkus as a T-37 replacement."

    The Turkish Aerospace Industries Hurkus is being promoted to Pakistan, but is not yet in Turkish service and therefore has limited attraction for Pakistan. Turkish deliveries are expected beginning in 2018.
     
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    JF-17 AT PARIS AIR SHOW 2015
     
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