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Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by tariqkhan18, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. SrNair

    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Well,I would say we have to stop our kneejerk reaction.Let them do what they watnt but we will do what we want yo do ,what we have to do.
    Ignore them.
    Totally shut down our engagements with that nation.Neither show any soft approach nor any war approach .Quietly transfer the missile technologies to Vietnam,convert them in to self reliant hard power .Chinese knows such language and they deserve that kind of cooperation.
    We have several simple ways to deal with Pakistan without even shot a single bullet
     
  2. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    In general a sub- ICBM cat missile getting MIRV itself is a rare thing. You think they're fibbing? EIther it is a missile with not much MIRV possibility (possible) or an ICBM class missle with under-reported range (highly unlikely).

    -3000 KM is almost IRBM range
    - means sub orbital/ diminished altitude abilities
    - MIRV separation on a flight path that barely touches high altitude and re-enters quickly? Very problematic concept. The accuracy will be pathetic even if you pull it off.
     
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  3. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Not sure if the Pakistanis have even the baseline tech. A lot of the missiles are just spray painted Chinese missiles 'as is'.
     
  4. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think Troll IDF NewBie

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    This is the era of proxy war. US and Soviets did it in Korea, Ho Chin Min, Afghanistan while Pakistan has been doing it through their jihadis against India. Our first and foremost option should be to hurt the Chinese interests in the SCS, Taiwan, Tibet, Vietnam. Let their state media the idiotic Global Times bark as much as they want, they can't do jacksh*t against us.
     
  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major REGISTERED

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    Yes its rare to see one.

    Well coming to the test, to validate a MIRV test you would need atleast a Surveillance / Monitoring Ship. I don't think they have anything like that right now.

    Further , even with a minimum of 3 warheads , that [what they are showing in pics/video ] diameter of missile is not possible. Also the warning issued as shared by somebody on PDF showed a very narrow corridor for a first MIRV test. However I won't comment much on it untill I get the weight and length of missile. As views can be deceptive.
     
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  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major REGISTERED

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    Even today parts of their Super Mushak comes as kits from SAAB. We are expecting too much from that lot.
     
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  7. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    My friend...
    Their Indigenous capabilities don't matter in the strategic environment they live in.....They have a more or less an ASSURED supply of High -Tech weapons from China... Against their Primary Strategic Rival, India.....


    Indigenous Capabilities don't have an iota's worth for Pakistan....Where as for an aspiring major power like us (with heavyweight strategic rivals like China)... Indigenous Technology is of paramount importance....


    Even if Pakistan buys Missiles or Submarines from China and as you say..."Paint it in Pakistani Colours"...It absolutely doesn't matter....


    When the time comes....They will wreak havoc....No matter what their National Origin is....


    And that is what worries me...​
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Two things are of utmost importance:

    1) We (Indian gov.) should revoke the no first use policy. The reasoning is quite simple - No matter how technologically advanced we get, the chances of destroying MIRV is minuscule.
    Allowing such a strike on India will cause massive devastation and will make a retaliatory strike nothing more than a farce.
    We, by our posture, must emphasise that we will hit Pakistan with all we have got, if we think even for a fraction of a second that, we are about to get hit.

    2) This may sound a bit far-fetched, but I think it's time we weaponize space. The best bet to destroy a missile is when it's launch is detected.
     
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  9. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Hmm.... Weaponising space...Is a tremendous idea....The MoD should invest into it...We have a fair bit of a space industry base.... Which can be expanded much more...

    But..
    AFAIK....We have signed a treaty (or Understanding or an agreement of some sorts) that we won't weaponise space....

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

    But of course...We can pull out of it...Which will of course come with huge political burden....
    And the next day itself Pakistan too will pull out...And whatever counter we make...The Chinese will help The Pakistanis counter it...So effectively we will be back to square one...



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    The only solution to this mess is going head on with China...Which involves (Number 1 a huge (mountain size) set of titanium balls in the political and bureaucratic class) and also making a respectable and credible strategic deterrent (I.e MIRV,SSBN,SLBM...Etc) as well as BMD's...and a Proper Army/Navy/AF....(NO Cheap Ammunition...Poor QC.... Ammunition Shortages...Poor Soldier Protection...Poor Cyber Security....etc...) we will have to evolve into a PROPER Armed Force equipped country...while also... using China's Neighbors against China Itself...(Very difficult)....


    Doing anything to Pakistan won't change anything... It's China that matters.... It's China that is the Big Game...

     
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    nik141993 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Upper stage most probably carrying 2 to 3 TNW or just one strategic warhead with lots of decoy, rest of it look like same old saheen ,range is less probably because of heavy payload or ISPR lying like always
     
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    thesolar65 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I was a member here long back, before @Levina pulled the rest here. All are here.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We need to pull out of it.
    The problem China will face if it tries to bring Pak up to speed with India in terms of Space Weapons is, what is the guarantee that Pakistan will use it against India and not against any other nation ?
    In the case of missiles, China can limit the range and keep Pakistan in check, but with space weapons, that will be impossible.
    That will not be accepted by the international community.
    China is the bigger game, and we have to beat China at it's own game!
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wonderful Point.....This perhaps will pressurise other big boys to *try to* limit what can be gifted to Pakistan....

    IMHO.....

    If somehow we gather a huge 'Anti-China' Intl. Support....That coupled with some smart propoganda...(And Showing some spine on the border with China and in the Indian Ocean)...Might as well give a pause to China...


    The basic necessity for showing spine....Is well...Money....A strong economy is the sole pillar our Military and Government can rest upon....


    We need Economic Growth.....Double Digits Type....
    As far as military is concerned...

    Throw Under Performing PSU's under the Bus...Get Private players in.... Lobby Tooth and Nail for any small meaningful ToT from Western Players....Keep Public Confidence in the Country.....


    Let us trust our Administration now...And hope they bring about a change....
     
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    Indx TechStyle Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Members, please maintain the quality of forum, let's stay on topic instead of discussing our strategies. Analyse technically.
    Now,
    a test with a restricted zone of about 1200km long set... (not 2200 kms)
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    Though, missile was tested for 1200kms range against it's claimed capability of 2200kms, they did at least file a NOTAM.

    here is the NOTAM

    (C0025/17 NOTAMN
    Q)OPKR/QARLC/IV/NBO/E/000/999/
    A)OPKR
    B)1701240430 C)1701280800
    D)ON 24TH-25TH AND 27TH-28TH
    JAN/17 BTN 0430-0800
    E)FLW DOMESTIC ATS ROUTES WITHIN KARACHI FIR WILL NOT BE
    AVBL DUE OPS REASON.

    DOMESTIC ATS ROUTE ROUTE SEGMENT
    ------------------ -------------

    J167 KARACHI-PUNEL
    J218 DOSTI-KARACHI
    J117/215 KARACHI-PARET
    J120/J219 LATEM-KARACHI
    J170 LOTAT-KARACHI


    ALTERNATE ROUTE.
    ----------------
    I) KC-NH-IDEBA-PG-TURBAT/GWD/PASNI/JIWANI AND
    VICE VERSA.


    AFTER PRIOR COORDINATION WITH ATC FLW ROUTE SEGMENT MAY
    BE AVBL AS


    KC-NH-PG-TURBAT/GWADAR/PASNI/JIWANI AND VICE VERSA.
    F)GND G)UNL)

    Official Press Release
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    [​IMG]

    And here is video:


    here is the location of the test........................................................

    https://www.google.co.in/maps/@25.3459241,66.6595354,1350m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

    Pakistan has no capability in

    1) proper warhead miniaturization

    2) Independent research in Solid propellant just what the Chinese taught them.

    3) No spin stabilized booster during injection burn

    4) Inertial altitude correction for injection burn

    5) Cannot design nor manufacture all parts of the adapter

    6) Cannot manufacture or design gimballed thrust engine in pbcv.

    7) Cannot design or manufacture highly efficient gyros nor accelerometers

    8) It cannot design re entry vehicle for the RVs to protect the warhead

    pakistani Saheen 3 first stage Chinese solid stage also given to North Korea.
    upload_2017-1-24_21-46-6.png
    pakistani miniaturised Nukes are probably < 5 Kt does anyone think it will hurt us?

    Don't forget MTCR Annex report from 2010, they produce just a third of missile technologies.

    But I think I agree with @Ripcord322 altogether.
    Probably because of the reason, I also know that they have got, may be with help (these tests come after Global Times warns India of missile proliferation to Pakistan).
    We invest more in research so we need smaller support, they don't invest so they need more foreign tech but they got.

    Missile may have stages, navigation systems, fuel, seeker or engine from France, China, DPRK or anywhere in the world, it will hurt only us.
    Even it doesn't matter they did before or after us.

    India's MIRV and MaRV missiles (like Agni 6 ) are much bigger, so let's not compare. But we test them today, will that make any significance? No.

    Our firepower already shadows them. Now, if they near to match, that's the problem.

    Matter is they got it. Shaheen 3 with just 2750kms makes significance even after fact that they made MRBMs after us.
    Indian missiles are aimed at either China or power projection & chest thumping but their is towards ours. Simply, there's no rivalry.

    We jump to get in world arena, suddenly someone knocks our backdoor and tells us, "Pehle ghar ki problem suljhao paaji". That's the case.
    India doesn't want to hyphenate itself with Pak anymore but as long as they remain revalent, even in region, we will have to divert firepower from projection.

    And entire world realizes it, US aids or any other country's maintenance of relations with them.
    I was expecting increased Pakistani Missile Launch frequency in 2017 btw after reading Global Times Article but was expecting a 4-5000 kms missile.:lol:
     
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    Couldn't they had tested missile from further inland?
     

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