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Pakistan Claims First Submarine Launched Nuclear Missile Test...

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Ripcord322, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    This is official....



    With This test Pakistan Completes its 'Nuclear triad'...

    This is a Cruise Missile...

    It can carry a nuclear payload upto 450 Km..How heavy is unknown as of now...

    They Are Calling it the 'Babur-3'...


    Pakistani Forums are lighting up all the way

    Note : This is official....

    I will keep updating this thread...
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    As of now it is unclear if it was a Pontoon test or it was launched from a submarine....

    This is perhaps the first public developmental trial...

    I expect the missile to enter service in a couple of years...

    The range of this missile is significantly less than the original 'Babur' ...
    ( i.e 700 Km v/s 450 Km)

    This Means that they had to perhaps make the missile
    smaller to fit it in a submarine....and accommodate the required changes that come with underwater launching.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Their AIP Agosta 90B and Their future Chinese SSP subs will most likely be used to launch these missiles....

    This is not a major technical milestone...These Subs could always launch SLCM's...It's just that they will tip it with a small nuke now...

    The payload of the missiles remains unknown...They are most likely launched from the Forward (Bow) Torpedo Tubes...The Agosta 90B's have 4 of the 533mm Tubes....


    These subs do have AIP's...But they are quiet small and Noisy....
    This looks like a stop gap measure and perhaps they are developing longer range SLBM's..Who Knows...!?


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    You can see those 4 old school 533 mm Torpedo tubes in the Bow Section of The Submarine.....

    Implications For India.....

    1==> This will surely change the strategic Calculations of the Navy....

    2==> High Value Targets Like Mumbai are in Clear danger...Pakistan Can Target Mumbai from safe Waters with a nuke...

    3==> Their SLCM will be low flying and dark...hence Difficult to intercept....

    4==> The Navy will have to counter this b 24/7/365 surveillance of these subs with ASW platforms like P-8's...

    5==> The real challenge will come when they get the Chinese subs....They are most likely to at least use a portion of them for deterrent patrols...
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It is quite possible that this test was from a Chinese Song class sub which are to be delivered to PN. PN will need assistance from France to modify its lot of subs.
     
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    Schwifty 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Great,Now we can sink there subs during war without hesitation citing this particular nuclear capability,either if they are docked for repair or on patrol.
    Sinking them at the beginning of a conflict will do us well ,even if it is a short war with no intention of nuclear exchange.
    Although,with such short range and few missile... they need to come pretty close to our shores to attack,how much collateral damage can they actually cause with such restrictions.
    Mumbai will definitely be in there scope citing proximity but don't we have S300 protecting it.
    So,now can we be sure of more P8I's to be cleared along with ASW ships & helos...Indian Navy has a great Boogeyman to increase there budget.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Indeed....It's very possible.....

    8 of those subs will perhaps more or less grantee Pakistan's Safety..

    What is the IN's plan to counter them....!?

     
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    Can the S-300 take out a low flying Cruise Missiles...!?

    The real threat will come with those 8 Chinese Subs.....

    The IN will have to dedicate many resources just to those 8 subs....They also have to look out for China.....The Navy has to have 12~18 of those indigenous SSN's and quick...The Govt. has already sanctioned 6 of them....But Construction is yet to begin...And Going by our Naval Building Speeds it will likely take some...10~15 Years just for the 6 Submarines....
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Not a worry.

    The first test actually happened some time in 2015.

    We have a plan for it.After the S400 and Single Engine and Rafale MII happens , it would be revealed.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Is it a Foreign Procurement Plan ( like the S-400 )...or a Desi ( R&D and Production ) Program (like the P-28 Kamorta corvette) !?
     
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    Grevion Think Tank TROLL ELITE MEMBER

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    Why don't you reveal it now.

    Also congrats to Pakistan!
    Now they should say a big thank you to China.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    If its about defending from Nuke Tipped SLCM, I am surely not supposed to know the exact overview of the countermeasure, its just that there is it, .And it would simply make all their investments go down the drain.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    A JV with a foreign entity.
    Money , production and R&D all three would be shared.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    While this is a great technological achievement no doubt, let us step back and look at the bigger picture. Pakistan had a credible nuclear deterrent before this launch, and it has a credible nuclear deterrent after this launch. What has changed, really? Besides, nuclear rivals never go to war directly, since there are better ways to deal with issues. The bedrock of real strength will remain the economy. The economy, nothing else.
     
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    shore based balloon tethered radars can keep an eye for these missiles?

    coast guard C 295, Navy MpA ..etc
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Timing Of the Test....

    Some Background...

    • 1==> India recently test fired Agni V/ Agni-IV
    • 2==> Americans Sanctioned Pakistani entities involved in Missile Programs..
    And most Importantly...

    • 3==> General John W. Nicholson (Commander of RSM and US Forces in Afghanistan) is on a visit of Pakistan today.

    Chinese Angle


    • 4==> This missile most likely has some form of Chinese Satellite Navigation System using the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System on the secure and accurate military channel....But the missile itself is Indigenous...

    • 5==> This development was known to both India and USA...(This is obvious in the way they reacted in the days leading to the test)...

    1. India ==> Media Outlets reported of Akash SAM's and Possible Sale to Vietnam...
    2. US ==> They Put Sanctions on Pakistani entities involved in Missile Programs..
     
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