Pakistan Claims First Submarine Launched Nuclear Missile Test...

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    Exclusive How an Indian military expert sunk Pakistan's 'fake nuclear missile test'
    Islamabad used computer-generated imagery to fabricate a 'successful launch' of Babur-III.

    @rajfortyseven

    1. On January 9, 2017 evening, DG ISPR official twitter handle @DG_ISPR put out a video congratulating the country for successful test of new submarine launched cruise missile (SLCM) Babur-3


    2. At a cursory glance, the video appears to be a successful test with missile exiting water surface, cruising along the coastline and finally hitting its target a red flag with a cliff faced background. The ISPR had done well to hide the missile's start, cruising journey and the target hit. But alas, it was to be so.

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    Missile color & speed change after 15 seconds of the video.

    3. Geo-location: The video had certain terrain detail especially from s16-24 which looked like Baluchistan mountains usually seen along the coast of Pakistan. A diligent search was made along the entire coast line of more than 500kms to locate the area but to no avail. The missile was shown cruising and hence the camera too was flying probably in a helicopter and hence the visual panoramic discrepancy was realised and the Google Earth app was tilted to give a panoramic view.

    Lo and behold, it was there about 35kms east of Ormara. It was 25°20'13"N 64°53'18"E to be precise. Once the location was identified, matching the details was not a difficult task. So a second look at the video was taken and one realised that the missile colour and speed change after 15 seconds of the video.


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    Video has been created by combining three clips s0-15, s16-24 and s24-29.

    4. Mensuration: The measuring of distances is given extreme importance in analysis of satellite imagery. On measuring distance between the geo-located area compared to video from s16-24, it was realised to the utter surprise, distance covered was approximately 15kms if not less. Considering that the flight of 8 secs covered 15kms the speed works out to be 6,750kms which is almost high hyper-sonic speed and slow as the video appears.

    5. Parallax effect: The video from s20-24 shows the red missile looking more like RA'AD than Babur almost stationary. Considering the parallax effect was beyond imagination since the camera would have had to move at higher speeds than the missile to capture it stationary which is virtually impossible.

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    Missile was flying with canister for almost 8 seconds? How is it possible?

    6. Close scrutiny: On a deeper inspection of the video, it was realised that the video actually is a fake. It has been created by combining three clips s0-15, s16-24 and s24-29. The observations made on the video could be summerised as below:-

    a. Exit from water: It is at an incline, suggesting it is not a system that can launch vertically. Meaning it is probably launched from a submerged barge and not an actual submarine.

    b. The SLBMs normally have cavitation caps to avoid cavitating effect, which blast off immediately on water surface exit. Here we see something exiting which is of the size of the missile. It can be dubbed as the cavitaion canister.

    c. The last clip showing target hit has a cliff in the background. Such cliffs are only seen at Ormaraand Gwadar facing the North. Here considering the entire flight path of missile is true and correct, cliff must face South to show the hit from right to left.

    7. It's a fake: The video is certainly a fake with CGI of probably RA'AD missile used to showcase a capability that is difficult for Pakistan to achieve.

    http://www.dailyo.in/politics/pakis...ests-cgi-nuclear-arms-race/story/1/15022.html
     
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    Well the most cost effective solution is wiping this worthless entity from the face of the earth, until one is able to swallow this bitter pill the cost of endless counter measures are going to mount.

    As the IA famously says (internally), "give peace a chance, destroy Pakistan".
     
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    Yes look at them, but actually look. An entirely hollow military made up of conscripts and MIC that has only developed by stealing from others and ripping off IPRs even still they are decades behind global tech leaders.

    The Chinese model will only get you so far, India will close the gap to them quite quickly in the next few decades as domestic R&D investments increase and will overtake them in a qualatative sense.

    I have no doubt in my mind that 1 Rafale can take on (and beat) 3-4 J-20/31 and the LCA could give their J-10 (IAI Lavi) a run for its money.
     
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    Pakistanis have a superiority complex and they will never be a global power,they are already crumbling.
     
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    [​IMG]
    The terrain in the video.

    [​IMG]The green part is 450 km radius.
     
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    Not very long ago, ISPR said:
    Originally my posted by my Senior Saya sir.
    Now, historical pic:
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    Then ISPR released another statement that missile parts fallen on safe area.:lol:

    it was felling on Pakistani citizens head, later on they discontinued land test, now it appears they started again.

    Faking tests isn't a new thing for Pakistan!
     
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    These idiots don't have to worry about having a perfectly edited propoganda peice, their foolish populace are so desperate to "match" India that they will swallow all such things without a second of objective analysis.

    The same was the case for the "RAW agent" Yadav "confession" video, never have I seen such an overtly manipulated video.
     
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    But that is the whole point. As long as the gullible believe what is told to them hook, line and sinker, the realm of the select few remains secure.
     
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    I've been looking over seconds 20-24. It's important to note the cruciform tail of the missile in question versus RA'AD.

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    Unless there's been a redesign of the RA'AD missile, the profile of the tail section is wrong. The scoop of RA'AD is also more noticeable from a distance where as the missile in question does not present its air scoop as prominently, in accordance with the known profile of Babur.

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    RA'AD also has several other protrusions present under its body, which Babur does not.

    In regards to the Parallax Effect, that just requires two moving objects to maintain a specific distance from one another against a static background. If the distance from the background is large enough, the two moving bodies will perceive each other as not moving. You can see a similar but less pronounced Parallax Effect with Nirbhay, though the background here is moving.



    I don't consider that unusual or a red flag and I certainly don't agree with any assessment that the missile is completely stationary. It's moving, that's actually pretty clear to see if you watch the 4 seconds in question.

    I however don't agree on the launch platform and will need to look at the video a bit more. It's possible that Babur could have been fired from a pontoon, foreign or domestic submarine (even without extensive FCS mods), but I've yet to arrive at a conclusion.
     
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    Fact is that they are producing jets, ships,subs, missiles at an alarming rate in very cost effective manner. Little qualitative disadvantage they have is covered by massive quantitative advantage. Plus they have a lot of money.

    And India depends on costly imports .
    Plus less money.
     
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    Really !!!! But that's truth :mrgreen::mrgreen:
     
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    I'll believe it when i see it bro ;)
     
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    new pic released by ISPR

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    while going through the video found something interesting

    then compared with this pic and found it absent in the pic

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    Trajectory is itself not matching!
     
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    They must learn from here how to make video of cruise missile from fighter aircraft before testing it.
     
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    You shall be surprised as to the information available. And does it have the capability? Yes. Is it ready for the international fallout? That shall be an act undertaken only when situation demands it with international backing. Does it have the political will to do it suo sponte? That is a big No.

    That, of course, remains your understanding of the state of Indian Special forces.
    Obviously the manoeuvre will not be undertaken in a stable/peaceful scenario.
    Their AD elements are also not net centric even if you have the capability. The US conducted a raid by paying a bribe to have the maintenance schedules of the Radars there and/or have them on maintenance schedule. Money talks, Indians have the money.

    1000s of troops? Only sure way to ensure attraction of attention. Where do you see thousands of Indian troops guarding Indian sites?


    This after your extensive experience in intelligence services and defence forces am sure.


    Read again.

    We are talking about Pakistan. Why are you confused with Nigeria? Or did you write all of the above with Nigeria in mind and just realised this fact?:blink:

    Really? Do expand on it ......

    Anyways, I give rational and logical pointers here as to how Indian policy formulations are being undertaken, do your research, how wrong have I been on these aspects, from Uri attack to how the situation will play out .. search and then get back.:coffee:
     
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